Casino manager wants to see you Fuzzy, and he's got this great big beefy guy with him who looks pretty mean...

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/spy-chief-defends-obama-administrations-accounts-of-benghazi-attack-cites-shifting-intelligence/2012/09/28/b16cc996-09a3-11e2-afff-d6c7f20a83bf_story.html

The office of the nation’s spy chief issued a statement Friday defending the Obama administration’s accounts of the siege on a U.S. mission in Libya, saying it became clear only in the aftermath that it was “a deliberate and organized terrorist attack."

The statement appeared aimed at quieting criticism, mostly from Republicans, of the administration’s shifting characterizations of a Sept. 11 assault that killed the U.S. ambassador to Libya and three other Americans. Officials initially described the attack as spontaneous but in recent days have said it was an act of terrorism with links to Al-Qaeda.

James R. Clapper is a retired Air Force General who was confirmed as Director of National Intelligence by a unanimous vote of the United States Senate. Not an individual to engage in partisan gamesmanship in matters of national security...

Did I not say within 24 hours of the attack, and that certainly qualifies within the parameters of "in the aftermath". The immediate dispatch of the FBI team resulted in FBI officials making the obligatory request to the State Department to expedite the attainment of clearance for them to be able to enter Benghazi and conduct their investigation into the events of 9/11/12 and its immediate aftermath, and apparently no such requests have been made to date, as today the FBI team still sits idle in Tripoli not able to journey to begin their investigation in Benghazi (the Obama administration claims it is too dangerous, yet the city and the empty destroyed consulate was aswarm with journalists from all the major news organizations of the world, including CNN and Fox News, the former even finding the discarded journal of the assassinated Ambassador on the floor of the room he was most probably killed in). It is all so obviously a shell game of hide the salami the Obama all out campaign organization is plying on the American voter helped by their favorite liberal media networks to deny culpability, that have not given this incredibly bizarre series of lies and distortion to defray any criticism or the Administration's handling of the lax security concerns, and the policies of disengagement of economic, diplomatic, and military posture built up in the Middle East and Western Asia by Obama's four predecessors, Republican and Democrat alike, Cab Driver.

But you send that beefy guy around...the bigger they are the harder they fall, fool! Meanwhile, you are going to hear about this issue throughout the campaign now (and especially in the foreign policy debate), and the issue of the strong suit for the Obama reelection campaign of his foreign affairs strength that countered his terrible domestic economic record is gone now, as the voters in the Gallup pool that has been substantiated in further polls to come out find Romney to be getting more support than Obama now as the candidate for the next four years in the Presidency who would better handle terrorism concerns.

...for the Obama reelection campaign of his foreign affairs strength that countered his terrible domestic economic record is gone now, as the voters in the Gallup pool that has been substantiated in further polls to come out find Romney to be getting more support than Obama now as the candidate for the next four years in the Presidency who would better handle terrorism concerns.

Hmmm...seems that your oft-mentioned Gallup sources don't agree with your ever increasingly desperate cackling and neither does Bloomberg. Why, even the Fox poll has your idols losing 48-43%. Things are really bad when the Republican Propaganda Channel has to admit something like that.

Who are you trying to impress with that big beefy guy stance? If such a guy came around, you wouldn't be able to vacate your basement living quarters fast enough to make a clean get-a-way, Little Lyin' Longey.

I can smell your fear of defeat from here. But you just stay right where you are over on the dark side...it suits you well.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-09-28/obama-leads-in-polls-in-3-swing-states-including-north-carolina.html?cmpid=

http://www.nationaljournal.com/2012-presidential-campaign/obama-has-6-point-lead-in-new-bloomberg-poll-20120926

http://www.gallup.com/poll/election.aspx

http://www.gallup.com/poll/113980/Gallup-Daily-Obama-Job-Approval.aspx

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/latest_polls/

http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/story/2012-09-18/obama-romney-swing-states-poll/57803524/1

http://www.politico.com/p/2012-election/polls/president

Factual sources...ya just gotta love 'em. Well, MOST of us do, anyway.

EWO,

Here is why the polls on Obama's handling of foreign policy have no impact on his ratings - 75-90% of the voters rank other things as more important.

http://www.pollingreport.com/prioriti.htm

Next - check out Rasmussen, Gallup, and Pew for their assumed distributions of the parties. All three are different. Rasmussen believes that the probable voting population is 37.6% R, 33.3 % D, and 29.2% I. Gallup believes it to be 28%R, 31%D, and 41%I. Either Rasmussen is seriously under stating the Independent vote or Gallup is over estimating it. Either way, it will affect how you weight "leaners".

Fox Poll? OK - I give up - how could Fox possibly get Democrats to answer their survey questions? "Good Morning, this is Fox News ..." Click! "Good Morning, this is Fox News ... we would like to ask ..." Click!(Delay caused by hearing problem - thought they said Foxy Nudes) "G..." Click! (Caller ID) Click! (Psychic Progressive)

Keith as always you are completely full of it. The previous 3 administrations combined received some sort of high level scrutiny by the media when it came to foreign affairs as compared to Obama?

Please explain to us the scrutiny received first during the Bush Administration when the 12 Embassies were bombed under his watch followed by the attack on our Naval vessel and of course the 9/11 attacks. I look forward to your assessment of the medias scrutiny of those events alone because as I recall there was none!

You are a ridiculous person who simply makes things up and lives in a fact free world sheltered by the fantasies Fox and Limbaugh provide you with. Tell me do you cuddle up with a little Hannity doll at night?

SedWHINER...nice try at a stawman argument, but I never stated anything about media scrutiny of foreign affairs. However, now that you mention it, the usual pass has been given to Obama by NBC-MSNBC and the other two broadcast networks, which CNN and Fox News have been doing yeoman's work regarding this nasty, nasty attempt to lie their way our of the unpreparedness in the provision of security for our Ambassador and his colleagues in a very dangerous Libya and our other embassies in the Middle East and North Africa, on the anniversary of 9/11, and the failed Obama policy of withdrawal economically, diplomatically, and militarily from the Middle East and Western Asia that has resulted in such disrespect that we have been witness too.

Alan, Alan, Alan: I note that the Quinnipiac/CBD/NY Times pool, which has projected that 9% more registered Democrats will turn out to vote than did in 2008, which most recongize was a watershed year of a 100 year flood level magnitude not likely to be soon repeated has Obama up 5% over Romney nationally, and up by 9% points or more in Florida and Ohio, the two big prizes for swing states, but even they have Romney up over Obama by 4 points amongst Independent voters! LOL!

And some other commenting fool joined the fray that seems to have an unnatural interest in my living accomodations...they are in a wholly owned, non mortgaged two story New England farmhouse (circa 2840) of four bedrooms, 2 bathrooms, and a formal dining room and a living room, with a full North kitchen ell and a full South facing enclosed porch, and yes, with a full basement and attic to boot on a lovely well treed and planted corner lot in the oldest town in Connecticut, just south of the vibrant capital city of Hartford, Connecticut (rated the hardest working city in the US); Connecticut having the highest per capita income of all the 50 states (not 57 as our present President had to be disabused of the notion of). I am a very proud nutmegger, indeed!

Sed,

Who's Alan? Should I friend him?

Quinnipiac/CBS/NY Times poll

Here's the problem with their polls - you can believe their statement that Romney has a 3 point edge with Independents in Florida if you wish - but then you also have to believe their 10 point advantage overall for Obama.LOLOLOL ^12. Perhaps the Independent vote doesn't count for much. Personally I think that Rasmussen is drastically understating their importance in his polls. Still, I agree that the Independent voters should be more conservative than they were in 2008 - there are more of them.

Quite a few Republicans jumped ship and became Independents. If you no longer want to be associated with the Republican Party - do you still vote for them in November, stay home, or change your mind at the last minute and vote for Johnson? At least you know exactly where Libertarians stand - even if you don't agree with them on all issues.

Oh - news flash - Rasmussen has coughed up another point for President Obama - that must have caused Scott physical pain.

Adam...See my response to "key2laundry" below. As you can tell he's delusional. I believe 'Alan' is you in his 'mind'. Ha Ha Ha! I'm sorry he makes me laugh!

Ah, I confused Adam with Alan...and we all know of course that Adam was the first man, and from his rib God created woman (who was put on this earth to bring woe to man, hence the name). What a practial joker that God was, before he died, Hmmm?

But did you not read my critique that the Quinni/CBC/NY Times poll is flawed hot on how they count Independents or Republicans, but flawed with the 9% OVER turnout levels of Registered Democrats from 2008 election year. If you subtract that inflated 9& number from their 10 point lead give to Obama over Romney, then you get the 1 point statistical tie and the majority and average of the 80 to 85 national polls find is the spread at present, Adam-Alan.

So Keith, how old is the Earth? And how in the heck did Noah deal with all of that animal poop on the ark? And how did he have enough to feed them all?

Try doing the math on that stuff sometime before you try calculating any real world stuff.

Oh, "Sir Keith of the Laundry,"

I love how you guys don't like the poll results so you claim statistical math is fake. You don't want pollution control so you claim climate science and alternate energy science is fake. You want to make sure that you get that uneducated moron vote so you claim evolution is fake, etc., ad nauseam.

What's hilarious to me is that someone like Sir Keith comes onto these sites and tries to convince the "intellectual elites," that these sciences aren't real. Yeah, we ain't buying it. My question is, do you? Do you really believe this crap you're selling or are you just to get us to switch sides? Cause barring being hit by a train and losing half our brains we won't start believing in failed policies and magic. Ha Ha Ha!

"Intellectual elites"? Now that was funny! I don't recall saying anything anti-evolutionary theory, unless you believe my joking around about Adam being the first man and man's relationship to women (what is it that really want, anyhow?) was meant in earnest, and then that puts you more into the "moron" category, I would suggest.

But an infamous Vice President had a famously good phrase back in the 1960s as I recall that applied to the leftwingnut trolls whose existence in life seems to be to stalk my postings on this blog with insulting comments that they believe in their self delusion serve as refutation for the truths I lay down in front of you, although that's looking more and more like "casting pearls (of wisdom) before (leftist) swine", to quote the good book. "Effete left wing intellectuals"

Please explain to us the scrutiny received first during the Bush Administration when the 12 Embassies were bombed under his watch followed by the attack on our Naval vessel

If you are speaking of the attack on the Cole i believe ou are mistaken about your facts. I could tell you the truth but it seems far fetched to think you would believe it.

the correct quote was "effete intellectual snobs"

Ha Ha Ha I believe it was Santorum the other day who said you guys would never get the smart people you would only get the "drooling morons" (or something like that) Ha Ha Ha! You two definitely prove that to be true! Ha Ha Ha!

sidewinder

so you still think that the Cole was attacked during bush along with embassy hits? Are you aware that the Spanish American war started with an attack on Ft Sumpter??? I doubt it.

And you say I'm ignorant. What abut the wage and price controls the moron carter put on to stop the inflation he caused. ?

Ho hum. Nothing to do with Embassy attacks and that hypocritical criticism of Obama.

What about Washington's wooden teeth?

What about the constitution being written on paper made of hemp?

What about the fact that it's past your bedtime?

Adam...

As to your point about the responders in the Fox poll where Obama leads Romney 48%-43%, it's conceivable that they only tallied some of those who responded to their questions, which one can reasonably assume would mostly be those who lean to the right...perhaps the rare left-leaner, but predominately those of a right-leaning persuasion. After all, it IS Fox you know...

If such is the case, then it would go to show that even some of those folks realize what a classic catastrophe Romney is and would be as POTUS. I have to believe there are some rational types in that group that see Romney for what he's proven himself to be. I usually don't associate with anything Ann Coulter says or does, but her comment before the GOP primaries about what would happen if Romney was the chosen candidate could prove to be one of the truest things she's ever said. One can only hope.

I made a concerted effort to not list any obviously biased polls (i.e. MSNBC, KOS, or Rasmussen) but when I read about Fox's poll, temptation got the better of me.

I see that old Keeeeeth got his butt in a twist and stated another..."falsehood" about media coverage. Good points, sedwinmars...you'll find that he does that quite often. He's also prone to making things up to suit his whims on any given topic. Call him out on something he fudges on and he'll most likely pivot to something else.

Also noted that he ignored the fact that what he stated as media support for his stance on Obama in the polls was proven to be entirely false...by those very same sources no less.

Must be due to low oxygen content and circulation in that basement he dwells in...

EOW,

Meditate on this - how does Fox get Democrats to answer their poll questions? They can't call up and say " Hello, this is Fox News ..." Click! They must launder it through a second party.

I was only half joking about the Libertarians - they make a perfect alternative for right leaning (former Republican) Independents who are conservative but are not interested in replacing secular law with Mosaic. An argument could be made that a vote for Romney would be wasted but a vote for Johnson might give the Libertarian party a chance to be taken seriously in future elections. The threat of a viable third party might be enough to force a re-alignment of the Republican party - more to the defectors liking. A win either way for former Republicans who feel their party galloped off that away.

If Rasmussen, with the grace of a cat upchucking a hair ball, gives the President another point in the next week, I'm going to get very interested in the numbers.

Adam...

Like I said, I don't know the make-up of the group they polled or how they conducted their polling...perhaps there weren't any actual Democrats in the selected group at all...perhaps the farthest left they got were left-leaning independents with a mix of R's who are having massive second thoughts about Romney. Poll taking organizations are loathe to divulge the particulars of how they conduct them.

The following article is worth the time it takes to read about polls.

http://articles.latimes.com/2012/sep/20/news/pn-poll-watch-making-sense-conflicting-polls-20120919

Hope you are watching the Sunday news shows, and stop living in your Obama and the liberal media is infallible, SedWHINER! The jig is up now on those lies spun over the past two weeks.

One and only one warning to the poster who hides behind a fake monikor and believes he caN say anthing in his guize of anonimity. If you ever bring another family member of mine in reference in you posts that you obviously learned by searching MY name, and found a reative listed as K. Longey (NOT Long"gay"), I will file a complaint with NBC-MSNBC for your invasion of my and my family's privacy. The coward who hides behind the moniker Eyes Wide Open has had that kind of over the top interest in researching everythng about me and a my family members, and I have submitted complaints on him in like manner, Keep it up if you wish to be barred from this blog! Or learn to conduct yourself in the proper manner on social networks. Your lesson for the day...learn it or beware!

Oh I'm so sorry Keys2Laundry did I hurt your sensitive feelings? Ha Ha Ha I beleive I was calling you Keith when you started calling me SedWhiner. Ha Ha Ha. Typical child Republican can dish it out but can't take it and even files a compliant. Ha Ha Ha.

I didn't research you at all. Ha Ha Ha! K, was for Keith! Ha Ha Ha The rest was a play on your name.

Keys2Laundrey is also a play on your name. Ha Ha Ha grow up or stop playing.

Keith routinely insults someone here when they post something that disagrees with the voices in his head; then when some of us give him cabdriver swearing lessons, he starts crying...

No doubt when he was young he tried that with another, got his clocked cleaned, and ran home crying to his mother who promptly called the other kid's mother and hollered that her kid was a bully...

Shouldn't pick on Grandpa too much; he admitted he lost his father when he was young, and well, he's been compensating ever since, trying to guess what manhood is since he didn't have a suitable role model.

You know you referenced my daughter's first name in comment #2 Saturday, just as the other obsessed stalker poster here had referenced my widowed sister's first and married name on another post topic this month in reference to my household.. Do something like that again at your peril, coward. Anonimity won't help you.

Why don't you two just post your own arguments, and stop the really unoriginal tactic of stalking mine with your weak, poorly researched attempts at rebuttals of mine and your juvenile insults? You lose all credibility of being a serious poster with something consequential to add to the discussion. Then again, its somewhat reminiscient of the kind of campaign that the Obama supporters and the liberal media type commentators wage against Romney and Ryan, isn't it, SedWHINER and Eyes Wide Shut?

If you're referring to me 'Sir Keith of the Laundry' this is the first time I'm learning that you had kids of any kind, or relations of any kind for that matter. Congratulations. Either way I don't care because they are irrelevant to the conversations here. However, you my friend were the one who took this to the juvenile level as you guys on the right always do and I am more than willing to go there. I am not one of those Dems who role over and take it. I have noticed however, that you unlike most others do tend to accuse us of being stalkers, of bringing your family into it and threaten to turn us in. Of course we haven't done anything you accuse us of and you are awfully chicken hearted. If you cant take it then stop dishing it out. Seriously go play with yourself baby Keith.

Point of fact here, Keith...at the time, I only mentioned her first name...nothing about the relationship to you, the married name or marital status. You offered up that information yourself when you got all torqued out of shape and acted like a wet cat, just like you did above. But if you think otherwise, you can always cite a reference to the post that you think supports what you said above...it will be futile because I know EXACTLY what I said at that time, but you're more than welcome to try.

Quit blaming others and take some responsibility for your own childish mistakes. After all, it was YOU who foolishly invited people to research your...how did you put it...oh yeah..."life experiences". Well, consider your current tribulation as a "life experience"...you brought it on yourself.

As you're like a dog with a bone when you latch onto a new word (for you), it's actually ANONYMITY. Got it?

And quit with the "obsessed" and "stalking" routines...quite frankly, you just really aren't worth that kind of time or effort.

Two good examples of the cowardice shown by these two oisters, Adam Selene had reference without posting the rather well know non profit organization and suggest a search for resumes would show who worked for it (pominantly my daughter Kim). And that is the the name linked to a distortion of my and her last name you began your comment with in your comment #2 SedWHINER! Deny it, but you and I know the truth!

As to you Eyes Wide Shut, you not only reference Margaret and her married last name as being a member of my household, but but you went on to state "and isn't that a strange name". You've also gone on to make insulting comments about our house, and the streets names it is located on which tells me you have also been inordinately interested in stalking me.

I suppose you think it serves as some kind of threat to me, but it just shows me that you two cowards are so obsessed with staking my postings here, that you have taken it outside the level of normal interest, and are off on a campagin of trying to dredge up something from my past or present to sully my character with. And that is exactly what the Obama campaign, and this blog, and this network have been doing with Romney/Ryan. It is a notoriouly liberal fault, this need to do background research on opponents, and to make rumor mongering your tactic. In fact, it is 75% of the post topics on this blog, and that is why I am here to confront it!

Let the readers judge!

But if you keep it up, it will be before this blog's legal department for action, I assure you! Stalking on social network sites and breach of privacy rules are set and actionable offenses, I'm sure you are aware.

I didn't say it was a "strange" name...I used the word "unusual", which doesn't necessarily equate to "strange".

...trying to dredge up something from my past or present to sully my character with...

Wouldn't have to try too hard there, Keith if that was my aim...I just let your own postings do that. Research yourself and you might be unpleasantly surprised at what info is out there about you. You really have no one to blame but yourself.

Let the readers judge!

If memory serves, you tried that tactic once before and you probably still have some egg on your face from that experience.

..and that is why I am here to confront it!

Noble endeavor there ol' white knight, but you seem to have such a hard time confronting the facts about yourself...that can of worms you inadvertently opened and now, no doubt, so desperately wish you could un-do.

Like I said...you really aren't a worthwhile subject to take the time to do what you accuse me of...your opinion of yourself is vastly overinflated.

I still have no idea what you two are talking about and frankly I don't care, if it isn't connected to politics. You are simply whining because you are upset someone is defeating your arguments, and you aren't used to having someone of your education level and experience on these blogs debate with you.

Keith, my name is an amalgamation. I only post that way because I am famous. If I posted directly I would be stalked. To you stalking is just a word, a vague concept. To me it is a reality.

Indeed if I posted my name people would not discuss politics but would start discussing unrelated issues with me, thats why I post my name this way.

I will leave you alone from now on because you obviously can't handle it. However, if you pop over and challenge me I will fight back again. I am not a Dem who just rolls over and takes it. Those days are long gone.

sedwinmars...a little background for you:

One day, as usual, Keith was flatulently pontificating about what a "scholar" he was, multiple advanced degrees and all, etc. Cabbie and I wondered (in print) about that because his English and grammar skills wouldn't get him out of the 4th grade in most places. Feeling his usual false sense of superiority about himself, he invited anyone and/or everyone to "google" him and see what a "big time" player he portrayed himself to be.

But, to his dismay (and obviously, his lack of knowledge about it), there was much, much more information out there about him that wasn't of, well, let's just say it wasn't of a very flattering nature. This information was on full display out in cyber land...still is as far as I know, should you need some reading material to combat insomnia.

I simply posed one question to him that included only the first name of a relative of his...not the relationship to him, current living site, not last or married name(s), nor marital status. He came unglued, threatening all sorts of punitive actions, yada, yada, yada...like a cat who didn't want to take a needed bath. He then proceeded to spill all sorts of personal info about the situation that I hadn't brought into play, for which he now says that I divulged and tried to shift the blame.

It was a way to let him know that he had made a series of mistakes: 1) using his real name as a posting id (not too smart for such a self-described "learned man"), 2) it was pretty dense inviting people to research him when he obviously didn't have a clue as to what information about him resided on the web, and 3) and a bit of retaliation for his blatant lie concerning something that he postulated that I had said, which I hadn't, and his lack of ability to prove or own up to his statement, saying it was somehow MY responsibility to prove him wrong. Truth be known, he's not all that sharp on the uptake. But I found out more about him than I actually ever wanted to...where he lives, info about his career, even what his dwelling looks like. TMI. But, like I said, he invited people to research him and now he's crying big crocodile tears about what was was found about him and issuing childish threats.

Don't know if you've noticed, but it's a well-established MO of Keith to NEVER provide any citing of source material to back up his positions...I can't recall a single instance where he's ever provided a link to anything to support anything he's ever said. Now, a lot of people would think of him as a troll...I don't. I doubt anyone would pay him for his musings, but if they did, he should, in all fairness, return the money, for obvious reasons.

He thinks his opinions (on anything) are the "final" word on the subject, and if you don't agree with him, you'll likely be called "fool" at some point in his missive back to you.

Personally, I think you just stumbled on what he now says is his daughter's name when you referenced "KimLongay" in an earlier post...coincidence? But notice that he took the very unusual and highly questionable step of saying:

You know you referenced my daughter's first name in comment #2 Saturday

Had he not opened his flapping yap about it, would anybody here have known, with absolute certainty, what his daughters name truly was? I'd like to have $10 on the odds.

Usually, while his intelligence is often questionable, his comedic factor is high.

Hope that helps...and yes, a good deal of it is political in nature.

EWO,

Keys2theLaundry just insulted me again on another site so it's back on. Additionally it had nothing what-so-ever to do with politics, despite the fact I agreed to leave him alone. Additionally, it was solely personal. He is the most hypocritical and childish blogger I have ever seen on Newsvine.

I will keep after him but as always I will keep everything political as I always do except for the little digs he has and continues to bring upon himself through his childish behavior.

He is a typical right wing nutbag.

So I saw, sedwinmars...and I also saw that he apparently now has a little sidekick who's cut from the same bolt of cloth he is.

That being the case, you don't have anything to worry about...two times zero is still zero.

Obviously you went back to look at your subject posts. The complaints on your specific posts went thru to senior engineers, but not yet to the legal department, as there would be some cost to financially to do that. But it's not an idle warning.

When you and others were expressing doubts about my educational attainment, and my professional career work, I invited you to research it, Looking into Google mapping and who lives in my household was over the line, and you admit it when you say you have looked into subjects and aspects of my life that you haven't posted, but seem to threaten to post. I am not making idle warnings here. As to the comment #2, and the use of my daughters name and the distorted last name, that is SedWHINER trying to take your lead, and emulate you Eyes Wide Open. You have both invaded my privacy, and that was not at invitation, and when you start to bring your insults to members of my family, you have both gone far along the road of impropriety.

You had both better get off it...that is my message to you! End of story!

Your threats, like you, are childish. Your "wah-wah-waaaaahhhh" factor is really polling high numbers, old boy.

Perhaps...just perhaps...before you ever invite somebody to delve into your background again, you'll think twice about making that offer. You can't now suddenly claim that information about you that's out there in conjunction with the information about your educational background is suddenly "off limits" when you, yourself, invited anyone/everyone to "research it".

I never stated that the relative in question currently "lives" in your household. You might try stating factual responses in your rants...I know it would be strange for you to do, but really, I doubt it could possibly hurt you more than you do to yourself. Did I ever say that I'd post more info about you? No-o-o-o...I didn't. I just said I knew more than I have divulged. It's all out there Keith...have you ever taken the time to research yourself? I think you might be surprised at what's there to read about you and those "life experiences" you proudly touted so much.

BTW...the information didn't come from Google mapping.

Both of my children were well launched on their own careers before the age of 26, and didn't require such an arrangement...or to be stuck home "living in their childhood bedroom after graduating from college without a job, and staring up at the old faded Obama Hope and Change Posters on their wall, wondering when they will be able to get on living their adult lives", drpaultyler, all due to the failed Obama policies, and the reluctance of any corporations to hire due to the tax increases being threatened, the increased health insurance premiums being forced upon them by ObamaCare, and the still increasing defict spending that will lead to even more tax increases down the road, the rising costs of energy due to this "greener" and his war on fossil fuels and meddlesome regulations of all business activities by this Administration.

Corporations and businesses large and small are just waiting and marking their time, just as the young adults and other unemployed and underemployed are waiting and marking their time waiting for someone more competant, if not as likable, to come along and set our nations economy in motion again.

That point I would happily concede, Dr. Tyler. We certainly need to raise our children to be independently successful before that age, and under their own insurance policies. But I support the Affordable Care Act overall.

Well, I would agree. However, I guess I was blind at the wheel. I assumed given the white house paper on healthcare that dependents would be allowed to age 26. I even said on more that one occasion that I thought this was one good thing about Obamacare. Just found out today not true>

Well I guess I'm much older and have known many more people than you guys. Personally, I have known more than a dozen disabled "children," who have lived with their parents throughout their lives including into adulthood. Many, if not all, of these children/adults were never allowed on their parents healthcare plans, until now because of pre-existing conditions.

I myself had a young brother who was such a person unfortunately he passed away before adulthood due to his disabilities.

You are missing the point. Obama said one thing and the other is true. But of course I take the blame for believing him.

Oooooo! Where did you hear that from Rush? Did he tell you there were Death Panels too! Ha Ha Ha SUCKER!

healthcare.gov/law/features/choices/young-adult-coverage/

"Personally, I have known more than a dozen disabled children, who have lived with their parents throughout their lives including into adulthood. Many, if not all, of these children/adults were never allowed on their parents healthcare plans, until now because of 'pre-existing conditions.'

I myself had a young brother who was such a person unfortunately he passed away before adulthood due to his disabilities."

As I send in my early vote for OBAMA-BIDEN, I will take a moment to remember this gentleman's brother, and how families such as his fully understand the importance of everything that is at stake.

You're basing your opinion on what? So far you've been wrong about everything you've ever said on this blog. I'm guessing you heard this from Fox/Rush who told you that ACA had death panels, would tax individuals, cost us an extra billion dollars a year etc., all of which is false.

Additionally you support the guys who have attempted to repeal this legislation 33 times each time costing us an average of 48 billion dollars. That's approximately $1,585,000,000 that your Republican party has wasted just trying to repeal Obamacare 33 times moron!

So what and who are you saying is spending and wasting our money drpepper?

I'm sorry I was having a conversation while typing the above. That dollar figure that the Republican Party has spent wasting our money trying to repeal Obamacare 33 times is approximately $1,585,000,000,000.

Sorry to burst your little Limbaugh bubble again drpepper.

Now, most health plans that cover children must make coverage available to children up to age 26. By allowing children to stay on a parent's plan, the law makes it easier and more affordable for young adults to get health insurance coverage.

NOT TRUE

COST MORE TO REMAIN ON THE PLAN, TAX AND SPEND

You appear to be somewhat confused, or maybe it was the way you stated it. If you're saying that it's cheaper for 26 & younger dependents to stay on their parents health plan, then yes, that's the case. But if you're saying that they can get their own plan (equivalent coverage) for less than the additional cost to include them on the parents plan, then you need to go run the numbers again.

The more expensive option would be to get their own plan while they could still be on the parents plan...after age 26, they have to get their own anyway if they want coverage.

It isn't a "tax and spend" issue...it's paid by you (or your employer if you have coverage through work) to the health care provider.

By the time the plan fully kicks in 2014, will this still be true? No.