The Eric Holder story didn't fare any better Fuzzie... Either most of the entire world is out of step but you and your Teabagged types, or you're all in need of some serious reality therapy. My bet is on the latter...

Even here on Planet Utah (which has a regular full scale business of exporting conceal-and-carry permits to the rest of the country), you're not permitted to shoot an unarmed teenage kid, particularly when you're not a police officer and the crime watch dispatcher told you not to follow him.

Ill give you a C- for effort

What made you conclude that a DNA test is a non-fact? That's a pretty asinine comment to make. Facts are facts.

Zimmerman decided to pursue a person with a semi-automatic gun despite being advised that he doesn't need to and should wait for the police. Not to mention the fact that he confronted the individual - again, despite being told by 911 that he should wait for the police. Zimmerman has a record of calling 911 over forty times over a span of several months.

On a side note, the President doesn't have to address black on black crime simply because he's black. That's like stating white Presidents should be denouncing white on white crime - which doesn't happen.

Holder is still being pursued in Civil Court by Congress for his contempt in not cooperating in the investigation of the coverup of Fast and Furioius...which the IG report did not address in anyway, Cab Driver. So keep whistling past the Holder graveyard. If there is to be a 2nd Obama administration, he won't bein it.

As to the right to shoot a 6'3" 160 lb high school athelete that was perpetrating a physical assualt on me, I wouldn't hesitate at all. Is it incumbant on me to inquire as I'm being beaten how old are you, and are you a troubled youth on suspension from school with a problem with marijuana and from a broken home life that has turned you into such a dangerous person in society? Get the picture, Cab Driver?

And there goes Grandpa again, stealing my shot about cemetery whistling....

Zimmerman followed the kid from the convenience store, and if anyone was "standing his ground," Trayvon Martin was....

The picture is pretty clear... You're a hopeless headcase.

Keith, the civil case will simply lead to millions of additional dollars wasted by this Congress in pursuit of a bogus political agenda.

The real crime here was the leak of sealed, secret information by Congressman Issa, who used the Congressional record to leak all of these records while protecting himself from prosecution. It amazes me how amazingly hypocritical you guys are. You are constantly screaming about leaking secret information but when you Republicans do it you just ignore it completely.

It is a non-fact because there never was a question of Travon Martin having obtained possession of Zimmerman's pistol, so as evidence to be presented at trail it will be objected to is no relevant, and ruled so from the bench. The jury would never hear it, that is for sure. jiub. As to the Neighborhood Watch Commander calling calling police over 40 times in the past 7 months, there were over 140 calls to police in that period, and police investigations of of over 100 in the past year breakins and thefts at the gated housing comples that Zimmerman served as the volenteer neghborhood watch commander, and he had been credited by the local police in being instremental in the arrest of suspects and actually the apprehending of one breaking and entering suspect himself previously.

Cab Driver...you lie. Purposely you lie, I dont know why you do it, but it probabaly is part of your alcoholic personality disorder that leads you constantly to try to "get over" on other people.

Zimmerman first spotted Trayvon Martin walking slowly in the rain through the darkened back yards of townhouses in the gated community he served as neighorhood watch commander of in the rain, stopping to stare into the town house windows. That is in his deposition and backed up by his call to police to report the suspicious individual tresspassing in the backyards, acting suspiciously.

Wow. Talk about complete B.S. Martin walked straight from the store to the bus shelter when Zimmerman called the police. Where are you getting all of this other crap? We've all heard the calls to 911 and no such other calls (like the ones your claiming) exist.

The only time Martin was in other people backyards was when Zimmerman chased him there (probably at gunpoint).

Zimmerman never called 911. He called the special direct line number he had been provided by the Sanford Police, and that is the only call that we have had a transcript of (which NBC infamously altered to try to prove a racial profiling by Zimmerman of Martin charge they were making).

Are you now saying Martin was waiting to take a bus? The convenience store was nearby the housing complex, and Zimmerman's depositon states he first saw Martin walking slowly in the rain through the darkened backyards as he was driving out of the housing comples in his SUV. And his call requesting a police unit be sent to investigate was the only call he made. There was no 911 call, aedwinners. You are lying too, or just totally ignorant of the facts and telling stories which you made up in your own fantasy of what went down, which may be worse than a lie. I hope you never get called for a jury in your lifetime, as you are the perfect example of someone with a closed and ignorant of the law mind.

Ha Ha Ha! Conspiracies theories. You will do and say anything to forward your racist agenda. Ha Ha Ha.

No. Martin stopped under the roofed bus stop because it stared to pour down rain moron. This is when Zimmerman called 911. Seriously you should just stop arguing now and start reading real news instead of your fake racist conspiracy sites. You look like a complete fool! Ha Ha Ha!

You say "probably at gunpoint" and accuse someone of being racist because they disagree with you. An you want to accuse someone of having conspiracy theories? Would you care to provide proof with links that state Martin stopped and stayed under the roof of a bus stop? I haven't heard anything about that. Don't tell me to look it up, put your money where your mouth is. Do you have proof that Zimmerman chased him through people's back yards from this bus stop? I call bull@!$%#. I dare you to prove me wrong.

Here ya go...

Page down halfway for the police reports showing the layout of the compound and Zimmermans path taken in his car then his chase on foot. It is crystal clear through Zimmermans own admission he followed him through the streets in his car then chased him on foot through owners backyards.

The second CBS report is a short report on Martin seeking shelter in the "building" which was the facilities "bus stop." This is where Zimmerman got out of his car and started chasing him.

Have fun.

motherjones.com/politics/2012/03/what-happened-trayvon-...

cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-57400851-504083/trayvon...

Ok, so let's review. You post Mother Jones, which is so obviously biased against Zimmerman that it's absurd, but I'll go with it. You surmise that he took shelter at a bus stop by assuming that it was the building spoken of by unconfirmed conversations he had with his anonymous girlfriend.

That is where Zimmerman supposedly started "chasing him" even though Zimmerman started following him when Martin was walking around, not stopped in a building. Then someone gives the opinion that the sounds after the conversation with the dispatcher suggested that he left his vehicle and started running after Martin. Nothing confirmed. Also, these sites have biased "info" from 7 months ago. You might want to try to brush up on more current information from reputable sources or at least ones more up to date. CBS is fine, but the article had a few quotes and very little actual fact. There was no forensic evidence to be found in it. Where did it say that Zimmerman started chasing him at the bus stop? I still haven't found that quote.

I'm sorry did you miss the police reports in the Mother Jones article like I referred you to? Are those not reliable enough for you? Are they too biased for you? Ha Ha Ha! Try again there bud. Halfway down Like I said. 12 copies of all the police findings. Ha Ha Ha!

You mean the 7 month old INITIAL police findings that have since been changed and/or updated? In the same area that police "experts" conclude that it was Martins voice screaming for help that was later debunked? In the same section where it was "concluded" that there were no cuts or bruises on the back of Zimmerman's head that was later completely debunked?

Do you have any idea how many times that the information has been updated and, in some cases, completely changed since these 7 month articles were written? You do realize that the public doesn't have all of the information and that the conflicting reviews of the incident and case are still being reviewed, right? I have looked all over the internet and inn police reports. I have yet to see evidence that Zimmerman chased Martin from a bus stop or even at all. There is evidence that Zimmerman followed Martin as written in some police reports, but didn't chase after or run after him.

That's right. That's why we have trials. I'm glad you're dismissing police reports and relying on internet opinions. Ha Ha Ha! Sounds like you're right on top this Judge Judy! Ha Ha Ha!

See my above comment to the lying Cab Driver for your corrective information, Barbara. As to your statement that Zimmerman left his car after being told not to do that by the police officer on the phone in the call that Zimmerman had initiated, that never happened. Zimmerman was walking in the backyards trying to keep an eye on where Martin was running to, and when the police officer, who had previouslu instructed Zimmeran to obtain the nearest address where Martin was presently near asked Zimmerman when he heard him breahting heavily "Are you following him?", to which Zimmerman answered "Yes", and then the police offical on the phone told Zimmerman "We don't need you to do that", to which Zimmerman answered "OK". Further discussion took place as to where a dispatched police car with officers could meet Zimmerman (the complex's mailboxes area was decided upon), and Zimmerman on his way back to his SUV and heading there was then accosted by Martin, who assuaulted Zimmerman.

You really need to read the transcripts of the telephone calls and the bits and pieces of leaked by the prosecuters evidence in this case, such as Zimmerman's dispostion and supporting witness statements that saw the assault by Martin on Zimmerman in progress, and stop fantasizing on the case. Be aware, that after eshaustive FBI investigation, and the Attorney General's investigation into whether or not any civil rights of Trayvon Martin had been violated by either Zimmerman or the Sanford, Florida Police Department and the initial investigation of the State Attorney's General Office of Florida, no Federal case of civil rights violations has been forthcoming. That should tell you something about the previous and still sadly continuing by at Little Lying Larry O'donnell and MSNBC to racebait this justifiable shooting in self defense case for political reasons, Barbara.

As always Keith you're wrong. The transcripts say, Zimmerman who was in his sport-utility vehicle called the operator made the report and the 911 operator told him "Officers are being dispatched, do not pursue the boy."

Here you go buddy:

nytimes.com/2012/03/17/opinion/blow-the-curious-cas...

That isn't what the transcripts of the call, which wasn't to 911, but directly to a police reporting number that Zimmerman had been given due to his position of the neighborhood watch commander said. The words you provide "Officers are being dispatched, do not pursue the boy" I have never seen. No one ever used the term boy (although the race-baiting media delighted and still does in portraying Martin by a picture of when he was a smiling 12 year old, and not the scowling 6'3" 160 lb suspended from high school for marijuana residue and drug paraphernalia in his possession 17 year old former high school football player); he term "late teens" had been used by Zimmerman in a description of the "suspicious guy". But I did most certainly see the dialogue when the police respondent on the phone asked Zimmerman if he was following the suspect,, and upon Zimmerman's answering yes, the phrase "We don't need you do do that". There was no discussion of a unit being sent until after Zimmerman had then agreed to break off his attempts to keep Martin under observation to return to his SUV.

The transcripts are available, why relie (pun meant) on someone else's opinion piece in a liberal rag like the NY Times of how the events went down, fool?

Wow, sedwinmars...You just keep making @!$%# up without pause. Impressive. Do you actually expect people here to believe your garbage? You site an opinion blog as a factual news source? Wow. Are you racist against Hispanics? Is that why you are so convinced that Zimmerman is a killer? See how stupid that sounds? Race baiters like yourself only do further damage to people's INFORMED ideas of the case. It is pathetic at best.

No one ever said "do not pursue the boy". You extrapolated that by mixing and matching what someone said on an opinion blog, not what an officer or dispatcher said. Your reading comprehension is pathetic. Keep trying, though. I am really enjoying target practice with your uninformed and quite clueless opinions. Thanks for the laugh at your expense.

Holder vindicated of having a role in the inception and oversight of the Fast and Furious Program, but not vindicated of his naked attempt at coverup of the failures of his department and the possilble White House involvement in the coverup activities which is what led to the Congress holding Holder in Contempt of Congress.

Recall, it was not Nixon's and his White House staff's knowledge of the inception of the Watergate Break-in to DNC offices by the Plumbers, but their attempts at coveringup and obstruction of justice in the investigations that brought down that presidencey. And isn't it interesting that a misuse of Executive Privelege by Nixon was involved there, just as the misuse of Executive Privelege by Obama is involved in the Holder coverup off Fast and Furious is involved in that Contempt of Congress action brought.

Keith, ssh. The theme of my comment is reflection--not indignation. There is a time for everything.

Keith: your transparent attempts to justify blatant abuses of power by Issa and the Congressional Republican's prove your partisanship. Perhaps you should try watching or reading real news. Never mind I'm sure you brain would explode trying to absorb real facts.

I watch CNN, CNBC, MSNBC, Bloomberg News and Business News, Fox News, occasionally ABC, CBS, and NBC, and read the Wall Street Journal, Barons, the Economist, occasional Time and Newsweek and US News and World Report, and The Hartford Courant, sedwinmars, with a mind trained in analytic capabilities by undergraduate and graduate studies at two New England Universities honed by a lifetime of professional work in human services employments .

And you watch MSNBC exclusively in your third floor walkup studio apartment that you can afford on the income from your generation X marginal job, I assume?

Sorry Keith...We could almost be twins except for the fact that I also spent 12 years as a Naval Officer in Naval Special Warfare Command, and instead of human services employments I spent 15 years in Upper Management in Information Systems and Financial Services for various Fortune 100/500's.

Oh and I am part of the upper 5% and am rich and famous. You and your family all know me.

Never saw anything that said Zimmerman followed him for 5 minutes. Care to post a link? Zimmerman was never convicted of anything, so there goes your theory of having a police record. Most adults and most children/teens DO NOT smoke weed. Some do, most don't unless you have statistics to back up that claim.

What is your theory on why Martin doubled back and confronted Zimmerman? Why didn't he simply go home? Why doesn't Martin have any wounds on him consistent with Zimmerman fighting him whereas Martin had marks on his knuckles and Zimmerman had a fractured nose and cuts on the back of his head consistent with Zimmerman's story? Martin was suspended from school for several reasons including weed. Just because some people smoke weed doesn't make it legal which means that Martin broke the law if he was indeed using.

Everything you stated is complete speculation. You give opinions as if they are fact and base your allegations on emotion and what you think you know about the case. No one else except for you equated smoking weed with violence. What would equate Martin with violence would be that evidence shows he doubled back, confronted Zimmerman, punched him in the face which makes him the PHYSICAL aggressor, and continued the beating on the ground.

I'm not sure what world you live in, but if someone follows a suspicious looking person in a neighborhood that has a history of break-ins and theft, the follower deserves to get beaten and have their life threatened? Try basing your judgement on actual fact and looking at things from a point of view not based on emotion and uninformed outside opinion. It sounds like "makeupyourownmind" regardless of information.