Must've closed the bar tonight, right Grandpa? The figure is 5% of all welfare recipients are immigrants, period, and that includes legal and illegal...

http://www.immigration-usa.com/immigrants_and_welfare.html

Five percent of AFDC recipients are immigrants, whereas 18.9 percent of aged SSI recipients are immigrants.

The cost of providing for these individuals amounts to $25 billion annually, That's about 1% of the the budget...

And the word is that Paul Ryan will be Romney's running mate. What are your plans when they take away your Medicare?

Second question: What are your plans after Barack Obama's inevitable re-election?

Judging by the delusional stuff you post here, I suggest maybe you ought to start hollering about the dangers UFO's and a different sort of alien present.

Makes about as much sense...

Again, I give you apples, and you counter with oranges, Cab Driver. Citing AFDC federal payments thru the states only does not capture the entire costs of the general term welfare (see above post by myslelf for the broader definition). Hence, it's not just 5%, but 34% of welfare recepients are illigal immigrants. Legal immigrants that come to this country as a whole have job skills, they have resources, they have other family members here, and they have all of automatic rights, including the right to work as green card holders, during the time that they are in the US from day one. On the other hand, illigal immigrants are for the most part low skilled, that initially try to get by as day laborers and as "black market" workers in our economy taking low level jobs for little pay and no fringe benefits; they are usually young and of child bearing ages, and they go about brearing children while the are here, or if they are resourceful, and obtain a stollen ID or a fake ID they go about taking jobs away from citizens of this country and bringing family members left behind in their countries of origin into the country also (thereby providing more future "Dream Act" federal largess recepients). We didn't get to the 12 to 20 million (estimates range) of illegal immigrants in this country because we were following the laws of our country jusiciously, and just as many come into our country for the welfare benefits as do come looking for work opportunities.

And to state that the amount of welfare that goes to illegal immigrants is only only $25 billion annually, or 1% of the federal budget is by is an absurd number pulled directly out of you know where. In the first place, there is no federal budget. There hasn't been a federal budget passed due to the blocking actions of the Democrat control of the Senate of the United States, because the desire of the Democrat pary is to spend just as much tax dollars and borrowed dollars that they can get their hands on for social, domestic causes.

Get the picture now?

Cindy, did the charge nurse at the asylum let you listen to Glenn Beck again?

Gas is still under $3.40 a gallon here, BTW...

$3.87 a gallon in Connecticut, and the national press has been talking up again the rise of gasoline and diesel fuels (and heating oil prices), directly due to this Obama administration's ridiculous and injurious energy policies.

When Obama was running for office against the Drill, Baby, Drill slogan of the Republican ticket he was always quick to state that an exploration and production oil rig permitting process will take 3 to 5 years to get a single drop of oil into our supply system (all the more remarkable that he now is trying to claim credit for all the additional drops of oil resulting from the permiting processes begun under the George Bush administration). And then he went about barring the expansion of exploration in other off shore areas under Federal control and the Alaskan rich oil basins, and on federally controlled lands actually managed to drop the exploration and production by 15% of what it had been in 2000. Then of course there was that nastiness of his Interior Departments violation of federal court orders by maintaining a 9 month long moratorium on drilling for oil in the Gulf of Mexico, driving the oil rigs to places like Central and South America and Africa do do their business. And who got the jump on the rich oil reserves in the Gulf subsequently, Mexico and Cuba, with the Chinese assisting the later.

Add that the grinding to a halt enforced bv reviews of permits provided by the Bush Administration for two new oil refinieries (the first in over 35 years to be permitted and underway), one in Yuma AZ and the other in North Dakota (near the rich Baken field now under exploration and production), both projects that had billions invested in them by private corporations are still at a standstill in their halted construction phase due to those reviews that drag on endlessly on the desks of his beurocrats at Energy and Interior Departments, and they both were due to have been up and running in this very year.

All of the gains we have made in oil (and natural gas) production in the last 3&1/2 years were due to the Bush Administration permitting process for exploration and production, and the gains are coming from mostly state and private controlled land in the US. Obama's policies have actually reduced production of oil and natural gas, in his mad design to force up the prices so that is most vaunted "alternative" energy of bio fuels and pricey electric autos could be competitive.

And don't even get me started on his administrations blocking of the Keystone Pipeline construction approval which would have tapped into the rich oil production of the tar sands of Canada, our friendly ally, while he Obama goes to Brazil and states that they should produce more oil and we will buy it, and we go merrily along purchasing oil from countries like Venezuella, Nigeria, and the problem filled nation's of the Middle East...sending hundreds of billions of dollars overseas annually that our economy could have utilized here.

Get the picture a little clearer, Cab Driver?

I see... Give Bush the credit for stuff you approve of, and blame President Obama for the stuff you don't... Narcissism 101...

That's the picture everyone else is seeing; you don't need glasses so much as a hearing aid...

Personally, I think the gas price uptick is due in part to the refinery fire in California...

Hottest July on record, BTW... But there's no such thing as global warming, right?

Here's the fact-checking on Fuzzie's claims that Obama is responsible for the rise in gas prices (the record was still set in July, 2008 during the Bush 43 Administration).

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/48614277/ns/business-oil_and_energy/?__utma=14933801.1697482052.1343913182.1344669812.1344704838.28&__utmb=14933801.13.10.1344704838&__utmc=14933801&__utmx=-&__utmz=14933801.1344643874.26.3.utmcsr=nbcnews.com|utmccn=

In the past few weeks, pipelines serving Wisconsin and Illinois ruptured, refineries were shut down unexpectedly because of equipment problems in Illinois and Indiana, and a blaze broke out at a refinery in Richmond, Calif.

2008: All the Wall Street Banks and hedge fund guys were streaking out of the collapsing stock market and heading into the Commodity Pits using the giveaways from the Federal Reserve that was well on its way to pumping over $7 trillion of loans into the financial system beside the Treasury's TARP recapatilization of the Too Big To Fail Banks driving up the futures and immediate prices of every commodity from Crude Oil and Gasoline and Heating Oil to corn and wheat and soybeans, don't you know Cabbie. That's the story of the 2008 high gas prices.

And as to those refinery problems, they didn't effect the supply of gasoline and diesel fuels here on the East Coast, which have jumped an average of 22c a gallon in just the past month. Seems like the price of oil futures has crept back up to $ 90 to $95 a barrel for our WTLC, preferred for gasoline and diesel fuel refining. And if we had on line those two Obama stalled refineries in Yuma, AZ and North Dakota, the trouble in the MidWest and West Coast refineries would have been adequately compensated for. \

Now just wait for the major Hurricane season impact on the Gulf Coast coming in September thru November, and he always present problems in the Middle-East, and you can see why Obama is staring down the grim double barrel of shortages of oil and refined products and higher prices coming courtesy of the speculators in the commodities.

Watch for a release of Oil from the Strategic Reserve as a late Octover surprise is my guess, besides the usual desparate incumbant manufacturing a pseudo foreign affair crisis to try to pull it out in the final week of campaigning.

Man, I have no doubt you could offend the Europeans even more thoroughly than Mitt-for-Brains...

And I checked back in just to see what directions your lies--er prevarications--would take in the face of hard facts. Once again you resort to fiction, and accuse me of your own worst excesses...

Now about that "apples/oranges" cliche: I'm still baffled, Mr. Beck, about that claim of how "National Socialism" is practiced in Cuba and how it's relevant to this counry. Those are Marxists, there, and the National Socialists were the Germans than gave us fits in the early 40's while setting Europe aflame. HItler made use of the huge German industries such as I.G. Farben and Daimler Benz...

Now have a Bloody Mary or two for that hangover, and here's a bit of advice: Quit trying to pretend you're sober when you're not... You'll get more compassion.

Nationalist Socialism: defined as the government ownership or control of the institutions of production in the Private Sector; i.e Cuba and Venezuella, Cab Driver, and the government interventions in individuals private lifes.

But the Apples were my cited collection of various Welfare Programs, Federal and State, and you countered weakly with a couple of Oranges only, AFDC payments and SSI to impoverished elderly not qulifying from past earned incomes for Social Security Insurance Benefits.

BTW, Cab Driver, as to your comment on the hotest July on record, and that is supposed to justify the hysteria of Global Warming Zealots like your self, its also one of coldest and dampest summers in some time in the British Isles and Europe. Seems that the US Weather patterns are influenced mostly by the El Nino and La Nina air currents off the Pacific and Indian Oceans. There may also be a little of the Earth on its present rotation that brings it to its closest point of the Sun in many, many years.

But a recent scientific study using carbon testing artifact trees and live trees ring counting dating back to before Christ, or a 2,000 year period, shows that we are actually in a couple hundred year cooling period, don't you know when you don't focus on just one or even twenty years, as the alarmists do.

Too, because of our tree hugger and national policies on stopping forest management practices on mostly US Forest Service and National Park Lands we have been experiecing more carbon dioxide and green house gasses being emitted by raging forest fires than coal fired electric generation plants in this country over the past twenty years, including in Yellowstone Park, one of our nations jewels of Parks, which I witnessed first hand.

What say you now, Gore freak?

Well, how about the guy who authored the study you cited describing you far more eloquently than I could... To wit: Incompetent People too Ignorant to know it

http://news.yahoo.com/does-tree-ring-study-put-chill-global-warming-170718316.html

However, the study actually does none of the above. "Our study doesn't go against anthropogenic global warming in any way," said Robert Wilson, a paleoclimatologist at the University of St. Andrews in Scotland and a co-author of the study, which appeared July 8 in the journal Nature Climate Change. The tree rings do help fill in a piece of Earth's complicated climate puzzle, he said. However, it is climate change deniers who seem to have misconstrued the bigger picture.

BTW, folks, this is an old talking oink® of Grandpa's, and he seems have this pathological need to look stupid repeatedly. The tobacco scientists at the Heartland Institute feed their junk science to the Koch suckers crowd, and they instantly morph into parrots.

And Grandpa doesn't understand weather any better than Bill O'Reilly (You all remember him on subject of tides, don't you?). The wet weather in the British Isles is a result of the position of the jet stream, and well...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-18868494

You can see the map shows the jet stream much further south than normal, which resulted in the cooler weather patterns in Great Britain.

That has nothing to do with anthropogenic global warming, however. And we "tree hugger" types hold to the scientific wisdom that healthy forests can withstand fires, and they enhance biodiversity. Lodgepole pine cones, for example, don't release their seeds except in the heat of forest fires. The disastrous fires in Yellowstone in 1988 were the result of misguided policies that viewed all fires as detrimental, and with the park overdue for a fire, the policy of "letting them burn" allowed a number of fires to combine with predictable results.

Fortunately, we "tree huggers" (and wolf lovers) pushed for reintroduction of the gray wolf, and if Grandpa were up to speed on his science, he would be aware of changes such as are described in the following:

http://www.videoproject.com/lordsofnature.html

In Yellowstone, the film shows a chain of life flourishing once again since the return of wolves after a 70 year absence -- stream banks cloaked with willow and re-colonized by beavers and songbirds.

Meanwhile, the real "Western welfare recipients," the ranchers who graze on public lands for minimal fees are hollering about the "big bad wolf," and honest, they're not voting for the Democratic Party.

And Grandpa, I remember a month ago where you were singing the benefits of carbon dioxide. I'd suggest you make up you mind, but it's pretty clear you lack one.

And per a plant geneticist I just swapped e-mails with yesterday, the real horror of global warming is that trees and such may not be able to "migrate north" fast enough--via reseeding--in the face of rising temperatues, and the forests will be lost.

That's a nice legcy you're proposing to leave your grandchildren.

Strange that the forests of Germany in the Bavarian State that are meticulously under cultivation and clear forest floor maintenance don't esperience the fires that are so destructive to our forests under the restrictive harvesting of timber and forest by products, Cab Driver.

As to the tree ring study, it would be interesting to determine the growth periods that signify warmer temperatures and their correlation to the cycle of the earths rotation to the sun, as their is much more evidence that our nearing the closest to the sun point of our repetitive cycles of the path of our rotations than carbon dixoide emmissions. And you never addressed the point I made that the forest fires emit more carbon dioxide each year than do all our coal fired electric generating plants in our country, you know the ones that are particularly under attack by the misguided policies of the Obama administration. I never said that the carbon dioxide wasn't beneficial to all vegatative live, I pointed out the falacy of the knee jerk tree hugger environmentalists like yourself that postulated polices and practices that have our forests burning at unceccesary rates while restricting the production of electricity with our cheapest and most abundant fuel, coal.

But crappolla for brains produces crappy policies and practices, that is a given!

Romney is only a puppet of the Republican Extreme. Ryan and the Tea Party will run the country if Romney is elected. It show he has no will power. He gave in to the Tea Party. Therefore the Democrats should ignore Romney and run against Ryan. Treat Romney as if he were a shadow or even not there. Is Romney mentally ill?

Let's see...you are postulating that the clear cut methods with harvesting of the created byproduct of trash trees and nonlumber wood products from the forest floors and replanting to new green young growth produces more carbon then letting those 40 acres non accessible by forestry service roads go up in flames? Yeah, right!

Drunk again, hmm. Cab Driver?

Try answering my points with something other than a nonsensical rambling disatation from another of your tree hugging buddies. How about the cycle to the closes point to the sun we are on now, Cab Driver. What does your google searching give you to counter that with here?

You really should see a therapist about that fetish you have for strawman arguments, Fuzzie... You and your crowd have switched from WMD's in Iraq to trying to scare people with non-existent voter fraud and occasional forest fires while coal-fired electrical plants run continuously.

Strictly industrial-strength Folgers, BTW, although I have some iced tea in the fridge...