Wow! That's one heckuva lot of words to spew and not say anything. Obviously, your school district could have used more federal funds to great advantage. What you've "written" here is the same hodgepodge of flawed Fox logic and falsehood, but lacking any coherence. You're trying to parrot what your Fox puppeteers are force-feeding you, but, unfortunately, you really don't understand what they're saying. Too bad. I mean, considering that Fox 'news" is written at a 3rd grade level, and they keep repeating the same phrases over and over and over and over again. Obviously, your memory is as poor as your grasp of the English language. I'm sorry for you. Maybe you could attend a federally funded community education program, learn to read and write, and maybe earn a GED certificate.

I get my info from CNBC, Bloomberg News and Business Channels, Wall Street Journal, Barons, and The Economist mostly.

And I hold a BA with concentrations in Public Administration and Business Administration with an Economic minor awarded Magna Cun Laude from a New England University. If you hace some argument with ny of the specifics that I posted, lets hear them. There are too many MSNBC pap sucking fools like yourself posying here A. Citizen whose stock in trade is to cry "Fox", and then hurl adolescent insults. Fruck off!

From Rick Santelli and Larry Kudrow no doubt - as for the rest of your "credentials" - yawn!! You see, I watch CNBC too, and a great many other newsfeeds AND I read - try it sometime!!

The fact is you did use a lot of words to say nothing at all!! Are we supposed to be "impressed"???

Man, I've been working all weekend, but I'm pleased to see others can see right through Grandpa Fuzz's sloppy innuendoes and "because I said so" rhetoric.

Just a few days ago he called Fox News "mainstream," and he's insisted he's an independent rather than a teabot... Right... And I'm really Robert De Niro...

Thanks guys... Here are a couple guaranteed to make him reach for Nyquil...

http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/opinion/54284471-82/bagley-cartoon-facebook-lake.html.csp

http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/opinion/54444242-82/bagley-cartoon-facebook-lake.html.csp

The folks on the über right are such practiced liars they simply assume everyone else is too...

That would be the degrading mental competency Robert DeNiro character in Taxi Driver, I would guess Cab Driver, hmmmm? That does fit you very well come to think of it.

And who said anything about liars? My issue is with the political insinuations being drawn by the leftist media on Romney's character, his past business dealings, his positions on issues taken from spurious "gotcha" finds out of his past pounced on and blown all out of any logical proportion to the man's body of work.

I've looked into the one Sensata Technologys company, a Massachusetts headquartered company that has existed since 1915 that you, Cab Driver, seized on yourself as a supposed example of Romney's investing in "companies that offshore American jobs", and found that they began their overseas development of operations in Holland in the 1950s, and added several more overseas operations after that in the 1950s. And that after Bain invested in the company in 2005 (some half a dozen years after Romney resigned as CEO of Bain to go do the turnaround of your failing Winter Olymics, and after his personal investments were established in a Blind Trust when he ran for Governor of Masssachusetts), the company acquired Honnywells electronic devices business, and grew by several more acquisitions, adding jobs in the US and in it's European operations. So "Where, exactly, is the Beef" to your beef with Romeny on that one? Empty insinuations with no underlying factual proof....fits the description of a 'dirty liar pants on fire' to me, but I didn't call you that! No I didn't it!

And once again, the whole parade is out of step but our retired second lieutenant Sonny "Grandpa" Fuzz...

My guess is he got his most recent talking points from breitbart.com (note to righties; Andrew did not die for your sins).

And hey Grandpa, if Sensata is so wonderful, why were the employees protesting at one of the campaign stops, and why are some elected officials trying to get them not to ship jobs overseas? Republicans no less...

http://rockrivertimes.com/2012/07/06/manzullo-schilling-urge-sensata-to-keep-freeport-plant-open/

July 6, U.S. Reps. Don Manzullo, R-Ill., and Bobby Schilling, R-Ill., urged the CEO of Massachusetts-based Sensata Technologies to abandon plans to offshore production to Asia and instead keep the work and the jobs in Freeport, Ill.

http://www.thenation.com/blog/168477/romneys-some-towns-just-dont-count-tour

“Romney: Instead of talking about JOBS, just don’t ship MINE to China”The Sensata Technologies plant, which has been on the forefront of producing state-of-the-art automotive sensors, was owned by Texas Instruments, and then by Honeywell, before being sold in 2010 to Sensata Technologies Holding, N.V, a firm based in the Netherlands but majority-owned by Bain Capital. Bain, the private equity firm that Mitt Romney helped to develop and that continues to make him a very rich man, has since consolidated ownership of Sensata.

The plant’s operations are rapidly skrinking as Sensata moves to outsource work from Illinois to China.

Had Romney come to Freeport, he would have heard how much Bain’s approach has harmed not just the Sensata workers but Freeport and counties along the Illinois-Wisconsin stateline that have suffered more than their share of plant closings.

Romney avoided visiting Freeport as deftly as he avoided the draft...

And BTW, I'm not not Robert De Niro.... But I might be Judd Hirsch... Hey, there's an idea! We might not have to vote you off the island afterall. We could get Danny DeVito to play you in our planned reality series...

What part of Bain invested in Sensata Technologies in 2005, 6 years after Romney left the private equity firm, and some several years after putting his investments into a Blind Trust did you not understand, Cab Driver?

Poor Grandpa...

What's the old adage about a lawyer with a guilty client? The one about pounding the table...

Don't hurt your fist... Romney was engaged in operations at Bain until 2001 (the Olympics "success" he's touting was essentially a part-time operation for him), and if you don't think he "established the cult and culture" of the company, you don't understand system theory and cause-and-effect.

But we knew that already...

Okay, I'm not going to bother to go back and check Fuzzie's distortions and straw men about my posts (he assumes I pull them from the same source he gets his, and I don't). The post about Sensata was probably from the Reich article, "How Bain Does Business," and I'll stand on my analysis how CEO's create the climate of the corporation below them.

And he makes no mention of Romney avoiding a campaign stop in Freeport.

Here's the Ampad story, Fuzzy, and it's from ABC, not NBC, and it occurred while Romney was at Bain...

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/05/what-bain-capital-left-out-of-its-ampad-defense/

In fact, in 1999, Bain was actually the largest single shareholder of Ampad. In addition, as of 1999, three Bain executives were sat on Ampad’s board of directors.

The statement mentions that Ampad “encountered financial difficulties due to overwhelming pressure from ‘big box”‘ retailers,” among other factors.

Its biggest customers — including Staples — used their buying power and access to Asian suppliers to demand lower prices from Ampad.”

The article also notes that Romney sat on the Staples board of directors during the period of Ampad’s slide into bankruptcy, which occurred in 2000.

What part of "checkmate" don't you understand, Grandpa? Or should I put in contract bridge lingo, that game your parents used to play?

Rubber's over. Pity about those two telephone number sacrifices you took against part scores..

Grandpa, you didn't address the charge about the Romney campaign not stopping in Freeport....

And I used the Sensata example originally from an article by Robert Reich on "How Bain Does Business." You're going to suggest that the CEO doesn't create the culture, practices, and business model it operates under a few years after his leaving (in 2001, BTW, not 1999)? Sheesh, I'm beginning to think you really believe I am Robert De Niro...

And here you go. Try addressing the Ampad story...

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/05/what-bain-capital-left-out-of-its-ampad-defense/

In fact, in 1999, Bain was actually the largest single shareholder of Ampad. In addition, as of 1999, three Bain executives were sat on Ampad’s board of directors.

The statement mentions that Ampad “encountered financial difficulties due to overwhelming pressure from ‘big box”‘ retailers,” among other factors.

But it turns out that one of the big box retailers putting pressure on Ampad was a company Romney often holds up as a Bain success story — the office supply giant, Staples.

"As Bain slashed jobs, Romney stayed to side" reporter Robert Gavn writes that Ampad “became squeezed between onerous debt that had financed acquisitions and falling prices for its office-supply products. Its biggest customers — including Staples — used their buying power and access to Asian suppliers to demand lower prices from Ampad.”

Staples was a retailer, not a paper products manufacturer, fool.

And your previously sited sources for your Sensata origional post were Al Sharpton's show, and Daily Kos, unless you made that up, fool!

You've got nothing!

Don't know much about business, either do you? Staples sells paper products in the form of office supplies. Lots of them. Check it out sometime. And like Wal-Mart, they put pressure on their suppliers for lower prices by threatening to go elsewhere... And you still didn't answer that factual observation I made about Romney's practices shaping the Bain business model...

Romney's approaches were a "Heads we win, tails you lose" approach to stuff like this... Business and productivity is tough enough without these kinds of parasites. Regulation is the only answer (and requires a keen eye kept on the regulators); I see this crap all the time, but then I've made most of my income as part of the capitalist system whereas you drew yours from public/socialistic enterprises.

Managing a Temporary Labor force and a Construction business to assist Veterans back into employment with contracts in the private sector of South Shore-Southeast MA, Cape Cod, and Rhode Island were socialistic enterprises? Making payrolls in private sector labor contracts public enterprises? Hardly.

You are a cab driver...an economic illiterate, who claims to get your economic news from Mother Jones and Al Sharpton. What a joke! Try CNC, Bloombergs, Barrons, and The Economist, fool!

By the way, the Washington Post's own ombudsmen has come out and called "liar, liar, pant's on fire" over the "outsourcing in chief attack claim" the Obama campaign is leveling at Romney. And when you look at where the billions of dollars of U.S. borrowed and U.S. tax monies that went into GM to improve their operations overseas, and boost overseas employment, its rather like the pot calling the kettle black on Obama's part, is it not, Cab Driver?

Truth (something foreign to you) is that the republican, right-wing, obstructionist congress has blocked every one of President Obama's efforts to grow the economy. Immediately following President Obama's election, Mitch McConnell took to the podium in congress and vowed that the republicans would work to one, single purpose--to make President Obama a one-term president. And since that moment, the republicans have worked tirelessly to ruin this presidency and our President. Without conscience, the anti-American thugs in congress brought our nation to the brink of a complete shut-down, all because they have sworn to Grover Norquist that they would reduce taxes to the wealthiest Americans while sacrificing all other Citizens. As for President Obama's efforts to grow the economy, please be honest and admit that every proposal and every plan he has submitted has been mindlessly and ruthlessly blocked by the anti-American right-wing. The republican party is determined not to govern, but rather to destroy government for the sake of taking complete power, gaining total control over this nation. And they're relying upon the ignorance of folks like you to achieve that. What's really disturbing is that you're here spewing right-wing garbage that actually will hurt you in the end. If the republicans do take control of this nation as they hope to do, you're going to be dog meat to them. Maybe then you'll understand.

The Northquist Pledge is to not raise taxes on anyone, A Citizen. And the fact of the matter is that Obama and the Dems had everything their own way in 2009 and 2010 until the voters rebelled at the runaway deficit spending. Since then they've managed to sprnd with inpunity as the Senate under Democrat Party leadership have managed to block any effort to pass a budget for three years.

Oh...and it's Obama that eats dog meat, not the Republicans. We are more steak and lobster folks, you know. LOL!

the northquist pledge..everyones taxes have to go up everytime the wealthy get a tax cut.. local ,state taxes, property taxes, fees, etc have to go up to make up for the lost revenue, but i guess its complicated for simple minds such as republican supporters to understand. lower ur standard of living and raise your taxes by voting republican and sacrafice america for political gain.vote for the party of failure, seems all they care about, americas failure

gop blocked and filibustered every attempt to create jobs, but somehow in ur warped brainwashed mind its obamas fault that the gop wants america to fail?good thing we have a liberal media other wise americans would constantly be reminded of this fact and would ask the gop how do you create jobs by blocking every attempt to do so? wait.. we never hear about such things. guess we dont have a liberal media..

Dave, it's not the federal governments proper role to use their taxing powers to get revenue to transfer to the states and municipalities...that's where most of our deficits have come from, you know.

And the Democrats ran up $1.6 Trillion in deficit spending on "jobs programs", which strangly went in new Medicaid assistance to the States, direct transfer of funds to "chosen" (patronage) states so that they could maintain their high levels of pubic employees built up on the state coffers previously filled with housing bubble tax incomes, and again, selected (patronage) states and minicipalities for public works projects that were not shovel ready, and pretty much meant that they were low priority projects that appeared more make work than necessary infrastructure improvements. That's when the voters said enough in 2010.

If you wish to maintain a dozen assistant superintentends each with their own office staff, a bevy of diversity assistant principles, and a diversity curriculum fully staffed with teachers in your muicipality's school systems, do it with your own money. Don't be looking at taxing John Smith, an Iowa farmer get the money for that in kind of thing in Philedelphia, for example. If you want bike paths and beautification projects in Cleveland, Ohio, then pay for it by local or state tax revenues. I don't visit Cleveland, and don't intend to pay taxes to see their citizens benefit from my earned income in Connecticut. Or have my grandchildren in Okalahoma get the bill further down the road for all the borrowing and wasting the Dems and Obama want to do to secure their reelections by running money to the swing states before the election.

Got it?

Uh Grandpa, before I make you look like an utter idiot again, do the research on the amount of money states like Oklahoma, Iowa, and my own Planet Utah receive from the Federal Government in contrast with tax dollars shipped to Washington.

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2011/11/states-federal-taxes-spending-charts-maps

Of the 22 states that went to McCain in 2008, 86 percent received more federal spending than they paid in taxes in 2010. In contrast, 55 percent of the states that went to Obama received more federal spending than they paid in taxes. Republican states, on average, received $1.46 in federal spending for every tax dollar paid; Democratic states, on average, received $1.16.

More reality for the reality-challenged...

Some states that have large Native American populations or large holdings of federal lands (Bureau of Land Management, Federal Parks and Forests lands mostly) of course receive large infuxes of Federal Dollars. And states that are large farming acreage states (especially with ethanol corn crops, like Iowa) receive agricultural and alternative fuel development subsidies from the Federal Government, you know CDab Driver. That hardly equates with the huge amounts of federal transfer of tax and borrowed dollars to social needs supportive programs in states like Illinois, News York, and California, that still don't get the job done of saving those free spending Democrat Party controlled states from their perpetually near bankrupt condiditions and slipping state and municipal bond ratings.

Put down the Nyquil, Grandpa, seriously. I'm worried about your mental state after getting felted after so many of your Internet poker bluffs...

Large Native American populations? Right? The largest reservation in the country is down in the Four Corners Region southeast of here. The Navajo Nation has 300,000 plus enrolled members. Do the math by adding the population of Utah, Arizona, Colorado, and New Mexico and divide that figure to see the actual percentage.

Similarly, in Nebraska, Native Americans make up 1.3% of the population... And there are about 7,000 Utes total on the reservations in Eastern Utah, Colorado, and New Mexico.

And per Department of Interior Figures, the entire 2012 budget for the Bureau of Indian Affairs is 2.5 billion dollars.

That amount would only pay for barely more than a week for our operations in Afghanistan.

I'm not interested in the funds requested and spent by the DC centric Bureau of Indian Affairs...try looking into the Oama executive department reqest for $4.9 billion for the Indian Health Services, or the illions the Federal Department of Education funnels into school programs on the reservations also, to get an idea of how much in agregate with Bureau of Land Management and US Parks and Forest Service spending and Department of the Interior and Agriculture spending in the states South of the Mason Dixon Line and West of the Mississippi where McCain had his highest vote totals, Cab Driver.

Don't try to pass of those figures as Mother Jones as a disclaimer that the brunt of the stimulus funds in the early years of the Obama administration went to the North Central and Northeast Democrat Party controlled states as payments for their support of the Obama election campaign, along with their bevy of liberal Senators.

Ever read the book "Lying with Statistics", Loser?

Naw, I read Al Franken's "Lies and the Lying Liars Who Tell Them: A Fair and Balanced Look at the Right." Good Stuff...

I don't think your heart could take reading it, however... And that 4.4 billion for Indian Health Services is simply a proposal to assist Native Americans with very real problems; the figures I gave were for moneys the states received versus moneys sent back to Washington... And 4.4 billion might pay for two weeks in Afghanistan, oh reality-challenged...

And of course you had to change the subject because you'd lost the debate. Come out here to the reddest of the red states--don't worry, tenderfoot, our Indians have been "tamed," and some of them are good friends of mine. There's a valley-wide project to provide light rail services, and all of the freeways and roads are torn up with repairs...

And back to the subject at hand, Mitt took one on the chin this a.m. in the NY Times... You've heard of Paul Krugman, right? Won a Nobel Prize in economics, that subject you keep saying you know so much about and then turn out to be a Flat Earth sort trying to comment on Einstein's physics.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/09/opinion/krugman-mitts-gray-areas.html?_r=1&hp

Keep up the name-calling there, since that's about all you have left. I warned you months ago about getting into a swearing contest with a cabdriver....

I get along quite well with Native American peoples, eing 1/16th Native America myself. And I have spent valuable time on Reservations and in Sweat Lodges in the West with VA-Native American partnership programs, and also in the South and the East on my own recognitions of a wonderful culture.

My origional post spoke of the U.S. National Parks and the Forest Service, the Department of the Interior and Agriculture federal spending, and the Native American federal spending in the Western and Southern States as being some of the reasons that Mother Jones could get down in the weeds with their statistical summaries.

As to Al Franken, he really should have stuck with Saturday Night Live. He's going nowhere as a politician; and look at the guy that he upset for the Democrat Party nomination: now there was a Democrat that knew how to be bi-partisan!

He's going nowhere as a politician

How many US Senators have there ever been in our history and how many people, if making that tiny tiny % is nowhere, I guess I found where nowhere is.

You're really off your meds again, aren't you A. Citizen? Do you make that crap up as you go along, or are the voices telling you that @!$%#?

Keith, Keith, Keith,

A Citizen at least presents a cogent argument - you throw around terms you've heard and insults.

Where is YOUR argument for what you "believe"

Try reading my first post, Fri, the 6th, and the reply that A Citizen provvided me and then tell me who made cogent arguments and threw out the insults, oncearepublican.

A utility burning coal is hardly spewing toxic pollutants into the environment (by the way, the polls in West Virginia, heart of coal company along with Kentucky show Obama laggins far behind); US aerospance manufacturing corporation faced with competing with an European competing company doesn't need a pro labor union President's Administration fighting their billion dollars of investments into build plants and hiring and training workers in North Carolina (by the way, that State is now showing Romney up by 5 points in the most recent polls); the "billions" of dollars are actually just "millions", and if I might remind you, Obama spent twice the amount that John McCain did to win his election in 2008, after outspending Hillary Clinton to gain his party's nomination, forszking his pledge to take restrict his fund raising to reasonable amountsand accept the matching public election funding process...and that included $487 million from Wall Street fat cats...(not so much from that camp this year, however). Obama set the precedent for the "big money" campaign in this century!

As to the foolishness on Romney's "investment" in a medical waste company, that was made in by Bain Capital several years after Romney left his active role in Bain, and while he has money invested with Bain Capital, as do union pensions funds, teacher's pension funds, municipal pension funds, and college/university and medical institution endowments, since running for Governor of Massachusett's, Romney and his wife's funds are in Blind Trusts. He is actively choosing his investments. How about talking about his work thru Bain founding the company Staples, which has led to over 100,000 good jobs for middleclass folks throughout this company, or one of the scores of other successful turnaround companies that Bain saved from the past of failure that provided them the acknowledgement of being the most respected and succesful of private equity companies, that won the support of a bevy of Democrat Party individuals from Mayor Cory Booker , Gov Ed Randel, and Gov and (Obama friend) Partick Duval, to non-politicians like Colin Powel or even the economist that Obama had chosen to be his "Car Czar"?

As to a man's stance on issues of moral thinking, why does Romney's evolution to pro-life differ than the evolution of Obama to pro-gay marriage? Were they both men making moral decisions after thought and years of experience, or were they both crass political decisions to gain support from certain segments of the voting population.

I can tell you I was very against any kind of homesexual relationship issues myself in life until I had the invitation from a gal with another girlfriend to join them one night. Now I make allowances, at least on one side of the fence! That was an honest evolution of thought based on personal experience!!!

Uh Grandpa, we couldn've done without that last visual....

And I'm wondering what your wife had to say...

This was after I was no longer betrothed, Cab Driver.

Obama's religion is relevant? When did his years of Black Theology instruction come into the equation this time around, or were you referring to his early childhood when he was in attendance to Muslim schools being indoctrinated in the teachings of Islam at his step father's request, and surely with his father's approval by in Africa, dave?

Poor Keith, living in fear 24/7 must be hard, I know it was for my liberal friends during the GWBush years.

I did not live in fear during the Cheney Administration, Jason. We all know being a hackmeister is statistically a terribly dangerous job. Fear is foreign to us...

Twenty-four seven road rage at those head-up-their-hiney sorts? Well, that's a different situation all together... Mea culpa...

Cabdriver Confession: I still say lots of bad words in an empty taxi...

"..As an anestor...of Daniel Boone and Araham Lincoln...)? Why, Grandma Susie, you must be older than dirt. Are you writing from the grave? LOL!

Poor Keith does not quite understand that ancestor is generations past and not like brother or sister.

Ancestors are those that came before, descendants are those that come after, Jason. Did you finish High School? Middle School? Or what in your ignorant life have you accomplished? Why not go out and get a GED so you can qualify for a job instead of sitting in your parents house and following me around on this blog all day. I'm retired, and earned the right to spend my day posting if I wish...you are a stupid malcreant that needs to get on the stick and do something about the sorry state of your life! Got it?

I pay enough out of my Federal Pension combined with Social Security and the income I have from mostly Stock and Bond Mutual Funds and ETFs Capital Gains and Dividends in both Brokerage and IRA accounts and a good amount of Cash Equivalent Savings Interest earned, Jason. Probably far more than you have in any year of your lazy existance. Why not tell me what you do for a living, and I'll guess at what you pay in taxes.

So sorry I missed the amount you pay in Federal income taxes. 1%? 10%? 100%? or zero percent and you are one of the bad people you speak of.

Let's see Federal Pension fund, something you now are against, SS, something you are now against, stocks bonds and the likes, something you are against when a dem has those very same things.

Is there ever a time you can control your hate to where you do not insult someone every post?

When are you going to make some sense with your ramblings? Who said I was against Federal Employees Pensions (the necessary hard working variety of empkloyees that is) and Social Security? And who ever said I was against stock and bond holders? You seem to have your problem with the latter, but I certainly don't begrudge any of them, as they are the people and institutions making the investments that make our economic world go round.