And Rush Limbaugh is being coach by who? I forgot he runs the Republican Party, he coaches them. A real man wouldn't pick on women, unless they have women issues. Did Rush's Mom hate him or something. Did she throw him out with the bath water?

Fluke is a WH operative,she is being coached by Anita Dunn and Hillary Rosen.

Baloney right wing talking point coming directly from Limbaugh. Get creative, at least say something original.

You have absolutely no proof to back that up. Just because Rush The Pig Man said doesn't make it true.

Glad to see you Libs listen to Rush,and you have no proof she is not,Rosen has been to white House 36 times since Obama has been pres.

and you have no proof she is not

Typical rightie tactic: tell a lie and make it everyone else's responsibility to prove it untrue.

If you bothered to read the rest of my posting you will see that she was brought forward to the hals of Congress for a Show hearing only, by only an aglomeration of Democrat Party "Progressive" Senators and Representatives. Her only claim to br able to provide "expert witness" testimon came down to the fact that she was a sexually active unmarried law student curiously "dating" the son of a wealthy Democrat Party financier.

The issue is moot, however, as in June hopefully Ms. Fluke will be out of Georgetown University's long suffering institution, and the Supreme Court will be striking down the unconstitutioal aspects of the Obamacare Act, including Health and Human Services rullings on "one size fits all" interest group constituancies slanted health insurance.

Got it now, Brad?

Why don't you just cut to the chase, Grandpa, the way the Humbaugh® did and call her a conniving, amoral, roundheeled social parasite...

That's what you're thinking; you might as well be honest...

You remind me of this taxi dispatcher I knew once... He would be seized by some crazy idea and it took on a reality all its own for him...

And Brad, don't hang around here waiting for Fuzzie to depart from his "Because I said so" reporting and scholarship...

He knows what he says is true; he got them from his Koch Brothers talking points...

And the voices in his head all agreed with them.

Your words on Fluke, cab driver "certainly not the words I would choose to use" to borrow a phrase.

And just what is behind your new conspiratorial insight that I am in coordination and serving the Koch brothers? Are you sure you didn't take that Gibson role as the Conspiracy Theory hero to heart?

Please provide FACTUAL information that Ms Fluke was involved in a "carefully orchestrated effort"?

There is NONE. Absolutely none. Just more right wing talking points coming from a righty troll. DNFTT.

After digesting your snot nosed attitude in those word above, florfish, I believe I'll pass on that "investment opportunity". Just curious though which foreign medical school diploma mill are you currently attending, is it accrediated, and just how long have you been living on your parent's or your former states dole? How old are you, and how long before you expect to provide a full return with interest to your parents, state, and country? And do you need anything to help you along the way, like free relaxed summer vacations and beer or drug of your choice money for Spring Breaks?

Sounds to me like Ms. Fluke has been doing the same as she is 28 yrs old now, going on 30. And she will most likely wind up practicing Trial Law and morph into another public do-goder, but seriously ethically and morally deficient individual such as John Edwards, only a female version of same!

So keith, you don't consider education to be an investment? but oil co. subsidies are? You don't like anything a Democrat does, so just be honest for once and admit it. That's right, you righties don't want people educated, don't believe in contraception, don't believe in helping someone in need. It's everyone for themselves.

republicans YOYO platform

Your On Your Own

larry:

I worked my way through my education, took no loans, and supported my wife too at times as she worked for her nursing degree. We both believed in contraception, but we paid for it ourselves, just as we did our educations. We have two well adjusted professional children, one of which gave 21 years of his life to the military service of this courntry, and a few more years as a contractor returning to Iraq and Ahfganistan in roles that helped to protect our service people in combat situations. Our other child has worked in charitable non-profit and media watchdog non profit executive positions in her career.

I did have the assistance of Vietnam-era GI Bill to help me with my education, earned by my military service, and more than paid back with my employment in the Verterans Administration Medical Center programs and Department of the Army Social Work Service over 25 years.

And I never whined for a handout along the way. Good enough for you?

Pilotshark:

Nice monikor! Chew on this; Democrats WBYV Platform (We'll Buy Your Vote!).

Barry got a big piece of the youth vote with all his hopey changey rhetoric. He didn't deliver any hopey but he did deliver changey.....16 trillion in debt.

Now he's on the youth train again trying to make another sale. There are hundreds of videos on the net show him that the youth of today aren't buying his BS this time around.

Larry Do you consider your education in Sociology a good "investment". As they say on Wall Street. "What's your ROI?" LOL

Granda Fuzz drew an income--including premium benefits and 401K stuff for working for a non-prof--and somehow the Veterans Administration was "amply repaid" for the money they invested in him...

And I think he claimed one of his undergrads was in economics...

I got a hunch, too, he was reimbursed for tuition he paid for those advanced degrees he was waving at us a few days ago... And I'll bet he did his studying on government time as well...

So asking an insurance co. to pay for what a Rx is making someone else pay? How does that work? You but insurance, at an atronomical price, premiums increase quarterly, and they shouldn't have to pay anything.

You also need to remember, when you went to college, good paying jobs were plentiful. Try it today. I see nothing wrong with taking out loan for college. A loan is something you pay back. Did you take out a loan for your house? How about your car? What the hell's the differance? Mine and my wifes college loans were the a private bank. ALL were until last year. And when we got ours, the low 6.4% was unheard of. But then you sound like you believe a loan is whinning for a handout.

larry:

The Carter Administration took care of the fact that jobs were not pleantiful, and the recession of his administration into the early years of the Regan administration until Volker and he got things turned around to produce the 20,000,000 jobs growth miracle was actually a deeper recession that what has gone on during all of the Obama years in office, and the interest rates I paid for cars and a house back then were certainly three times higher than anything people are paying today, thank to a Federal Reserve that is busy pouring kerosene on the fires of sloppy credit and excessive borrowing and spending in the late 2000s and now,

Loans from private financial institutions are fine, but loans made with tax payers moneys and federal deficit spendings aren't. Those are deficit spendings.

Cab driver:

3 years working for a non-profit, 25 years working for the Veterans Administration and Department of the Army to go with my additional years of military service. You would deny me my salary and fringe benefits and my 403-b programs? Of course, I would have done much better pursuing either a Town Managers career or a Teaching career which would have given me considerably higher earnings over the time period of my career in public service. But may not have been as rewarding intrinsically for the service to my fellow man that I enjoyed in those employments.

If you know of any commercial institution that doesn't pass their increased costs on to their customers, I'll do business with them in a heart's beat.

Even General Motors will be soaking the customers paying up for their large line of Trucks and SUVs so that they can weather the losses on the Obama Government's mandated Chevy Volt, that isn't going anywhere fast! Do you not understand the insurance companies do the same? Want to enforce having young adult maintained until age 26 on their parents policies, then parents without children and single or married adults of any age will pay the premium increases for that too.

Not enough for you? What's been your giveback to your government?

You really need to quit molesting those strawman arguments, Grandpa. My claim was you were implying the VA "got a return on its investment" with your education, and that's a bald-faced lie. Proof is that they had the choice of hiring someone who wasn't educated under the G.I. Bill... But of course you got "preferential" treatment in hiring...

BTW, from what I've seen--extensive personal and professional contact--the VA programs for alcoholism and substance abuse are crap. That brother of mine, the one I mentioned often lands in jail (at great expense), is one of the casualties of that program. He went through it and shacked up with a lady "volunteer chaplain" after his discharge. I'll spare you the details except to say they both wound up in locked wards not long after.

I think that might've been the stuff St. Ronnie was referring to when he said "Government is the problem."

My guess is you'll be strangely silent on that one (and my apologies to all the honest government employees out there; I don't think Grandpa is representative).

And whatever was spent on my rehab and education did see some returns. I haven't done near the damage I did drinking, "fixed" a few kids who were headed to the big house when I was teaching, and I don't get paid a dime for pulling drunks out of hotels or domestic squabbles and hauling them to 12-Step meetings.

Whoopy do for you, that is small potatoes to what I accomplished in my employments, and I didn't even mention my civic volunteer work.

You should see my awards and supervisor's testimonals before you make a judgement from your vile liver damaged jaundiced outlook on life!

mikafromcommierussia

tovarich, comrade where are you? was it something i said. i think i have already met your siblings my good friend. they now have to take up your slack. perhaps we all get together for early xmas and troll the yule tide carols. ha good joke no? #1Fox good song also MSNBC toilet song - all good mika songs we sing all together. we also do your favorite lololol song.

tovarich you will not be lonely long - adam mikhailovich will come soon and we will have good russkie party like old days. i invite old comrade bewulf to join us. we find something good to roast in fire.

till then tovarich,

adam_selene

A key ingredient to recovery from drug addiction is serious honesty and a commitment to a genuine humility.

Rush's "Big Lie" is the claim this wants people to pay for her education; there's no acknowledgment that she would be paying those student loans back...

And her latest Tweet was simply keep the loan interest rate down... Right now, mortgage rates are at less than 4%, and they want to raise the student loan rates to above 6%, which is just a pay-off to the banks making the loans because the government guarantees the loans...

Quite simply, it's a business for the banks making the loans... Better quit now, or the wingnuts will be hollering "socialism."

"I am old enough to remember when state schools were free"

Cheap

I've been in this country for decades and I don't ever remember state schools being free. There was a time when the taxpayers paid to educate liberal Democrats but it was never free!!!!

Cabbie

They already are. Haven't you heard them complaining about all Democrats want are handouts? NOT one has ever made a statement about a private bank making the load. NOT one has made a comment on it getting repaid. They are for private enterprise but bitch about it when it doesn't fit their agenda.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't recall Sandra talking about her sex life once. I don't recall her talking about wanting someone else to pay for her education. I think it all come back to the greedy wanting the "extra" interest.

NOTHING IS FREE! Somebody pays the costs! Do you have some block in your mind that can't understand that? NY's Tax rates are the very highest in the nation, that's what came of giving things away for free! And their industry and corportate headquarters fled for other states to excape the increasing huge burdens of state and municipal taxes.

Sandra Fluke testifyied before a show hearing that she was discriminated against for not being able to obtain insurance paid contraception from her status as a student at the Catholic Georgetown, and it was all in the interest of the support of the Health and Human Services rulings engendered by Obama Care. She tweeted DON'T DOUBLE THE INTEREST RATES on the Stafford loans. What was that, an advocacy plea for someone else? And just who follows her tweets but the ones that are her supporters in her causes celebre spawned by the great co pay free contraception gambit she focused on!

And the only cheap woman I ever met was the one that offered to buy my drinks! LOL!

You're right about NY taxes. Rush left NYC for good and made Fla his official home because NY imposed a millionaire's tax. Within weeks billions of dollars in wealth moved to Fla. and NY tax revenues dropped............ain't liberals smart??

Last Dec I was in NYC. I went into a convenience store, a liberal hippie type in his 20s asked the clerk for a cup of coffee and a pack of Marlboro smokes. He handed the clerk a 10 dollar bill. The clerk said 15 dollars please.......$12.50 for smokes, $2.50 for the coffee, he was mad..I was all smiles............Any time a liberal screws himself it makes my day.

Right on, and i do believe the cab driver confused who is underwriting the Stafford loans, its not the banks, its the tax payers. And the money that goes into them and pours into the middle class students hands is robbed from the Pell grants that are designed for the very economic needy.

Mortgage rates are not equal to education loan interest rates as they are manipulated by all sorts of federal influence and the Federal Reserve to deal with the huge backlog of unoccupied homes, mostly in the MidWest and West. You won't be seeing them go up the way other credit loan rates go up when the Fed lifts the enforced low targeted federal funds rates inorder to fight the looming inflation in our nation.

And larry: the other half of the Obama shoe is going to be debt forgiveness. He is already proposing droping the minimum rate of repayment from 15% of a graduate loan holders income to 10%, which will mean those $25,000 runups in government Stafford loans will take eons to repay at the lower rates at ridiculously low interest rates, and how many of them for the kind of degrees that Larry O'Donnel got, "sociology" for Petes sake, like there is a job market for that other than serving as a barrista at the local coffee bar.

Keith, I'm a German living in the Netherlands.

This may sound even worse to you than what I already wrote but: I don't expect an American like you to understand. It's a perfectly normal mindset here. The state invests in us, we pay society back. But I know you'll bash every european country for lots of unrelated reasons, so.. feel free. Our world views are jst not compatible. :)

"Somebody has to pay for it". Yes indeed. Everyone. As will I once I earn money. And that is FINE. That's the entire point.

floorfish

In America we call it TANSTAAFL "there ain't no such thing as a free lunch" - according to my father, saloons in the western states would advertise "free lunch". Lunch would consist of salty meats, nuts, and crackers - they would then double the price of all drinks.

After years of working with both American and International students, I made an interesting observation. When asked about their future goals, international students usually said " I want to get a good education and return home to serve society." (Their "societies" were frequently paying for their education.) American students would almost always say " I want to get a degree so that I can make a lot of money and be my own boss."

America may very well suffer from dissociative identity disorder - we seem to have a capacity for heartbreaking kindness toward complete strangers with an equally heartbreaking capacity for hate and violence.

Should you travel in America on a regular basis - I do not recommend that you knock on a stranger's door at night to ask for directions - we tend to reward such interruptions to our privacy with gunfire. It is much safer for you to be in a burning building that is about to collapse - truck drivers and teachers and homeless people will gladly die trying to save your life no matter how hopeless it seems.

For us, it's a perfectly normal mindset...

Adam_Selene

That bit about the knocking on the door thing is a bit melodramatic, don't you think, Adam? How do you explain the large numbers of people in surrounding states that took in perfect strangers (some inperfect strangers too) and helped them to get reestablished in their communities after Katrina, for example?

How do you explain our Red Cross, and Salvation Army, and the hundreds of charities that we support with both our dollars and our labor?

Or the volunteer contributions to education institution endowment funds and scholarship funds?

All the more reason's why in our country we don't require a federal government to tax to spend on socialist causes.

Keith,

I admit to hyperbole – but remember that Japanese exchange student Yoshihiro Hattori? Apparently his conversational English training included “where’s the party” but not the word “freeze”. If I were to pound on the door of some of my good church friends at 2:00 in the morning, I would be met with a gun – probably discreetly held to the side until they identified me. Google mistaken shootings of trespassers and read in amazement a couple of bozos discussing whether a homeowner was within his rights to shoot and kill a 7 year old trespasser! And I’m a 2^nd amendment supporter.

I also gladly admit to the good works of the Salvation Army and the Red Cross – having been a recipient of their disaster aid. I will also give a plug for the Southern Baptist Disaster Relief volunteers – knowing of their work from family members in the south. We are a generous country – but that’s my point.

When the sun goes down – a castle mentality takes over – and I do not exclude myself. I think our behavior is “situational”.

If on the evening of 9/12/01, President Bush had interrupted the evening news with “My fellow Americans, we have turned the entire country of Afghanistan into a sheet of radioactive glass” I probably would have turned to my wife and said “honey – are there any more mashed potatoes?” After a more reasoned reflection I would have been horrified at the taking of 30 million lives.

You have worked in the area of Spouse Abuse and Child Abuse – were all of the abusers worthless pieces of dung to be taken out and shot – or were at least some of them generally decent people capable of acts of kindness who had become sensitized to emotional “triggers” in certain situations?

So I plead guilty to hyperbole – but as far as my assertion that Americans as a people are prone to extremes in our behavior depending on the situation – I’ll stand by my “guns”.

Adam_Selene

A few more rounds of hyperbole there, especially that imaginary Bush-AfghanistanNeuclear bombing scenario, hmmm?

Adam, the reasons you can cite the sensational occasional oddity (such as the shooting of a 7 yr old trespasser) is because it is an exceptional oddity, and received publicity as such because it was sooooo outside of the norm.

You seriously must live in a very nice neighborhood. I would be met at the door with a gun - so no hyperbole there. Actually I have, but that was a long time ago. I clearly remember the general attitude after 9/11 and mine - turning the sand to glass was a common expression where I live. And I'm willing to grant that you are much nicer person than I am - and I am not being sarcastic.

If you decide to test my assertion - go to a strange neighborhood at 2:00 in the morning and start pounding on doors. To be fair - do hundred. I will grant you that you will probably only be shot dead 3 or 4 times out of a hundred - other times they may just wing you. Your odds would be slightly better in a Democratic area - but not much. (the "h" word again?)

Still let this be a model for all of the idiot posters - the worst you did was accuse me of exaggeration and the worst I did was encourage you to put your position to the test. (Ok - I really don't want you to knock on doors even to prove a point.)

Let's do this again sometime.

Adam_Selene

2:00 AM? I'm usually asleep by that hour in my comfortable surburan home, secure with the knowledge that my local police force patrols the roads regularly, and also within an arms length of a telephone and my .327 Federal Magnum handgun.

Last time I had to hold it in my hand (the gun, not the phone) was as I waited for the police to come to round up a trespasser who had hidden in my neighbors backyard shed; turned out pretty well for all as the police arrived before he could venture into one of our nearby houses and tasered his fat arse as he tried to run from them.

You have police? Guess that's our problem.

Please consider using MagSafe's or Glasers for thy neighbor,s sake.

Have a good week-end.

Adam_Selene

85 grain ollow points for my house and trail gun, and they won't pierce normal building siding because they deform at the higher velocity (with great put down shock value) of the .327 Federal Magnum round. However, the revolver is versatile as it will also chamber the .32 H&R Magnum round (and that is my street carry gun), as well as the old police round of the .32 Smith & Wesson Long and Short, low energy round which I use for small game hunting.

Mag-safes and Glaser rounds are extremely expensive, certainly nothing to practice with at the range, and are only good for close in targets. I spent a lot of money (or rather I should say Medicare did) to have both eyes undergo cataract surgery with prescription lens inplants a few years ago so that I have 20-20 vision again, and can hit a squirrels head out to 20 yards and a man sized target at least 2&1/2 times that with my house and trail handgun.

You know I'm still getting the tiniest little whiff of troll toot from some where - it may be time to crank up Beowulf again - perhaps it's coming in through the air vents from the blog next door.

Standing up for herself would be paying for her own contraceptives and making her education loan repayments, don't you think?