Poll: Exceptions to the birth control rule?
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Tue Feb 7, 2012 7:01 PM EST
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You don't want to take birth control then don't take it. But nothing gives you the right to lord over others and judge them for what they can put in their bodies.
It is only right if they want to hire those with different beliefs than theirs, they should respect their employees right to differ from the beliefs of the place they are employed.I believe this is called religious freedom.
All healthcare should be universal. Even Egyptian slaves had free healthcare (which included medicines used to prevent birth). People aren't forced to take it, they are given the freedom of choice; therefore there is no religious persecution.
No. Can a Christian Science organization or an organization that believes in tribal voodoo medicine opt out of providing health care to it's workers?
Were Mormons allowed an exception on monogamy? Also, no one is forcing any Catholic to use contraceptives.
Look, when the Vatican begins paying child support, we'll talk.
Funny you should say that. It's the only reason the Vatican decided priests could no longer be married. They were starting to cost too much, what with the widows, the orphans, the life-long dependents. The only good business decision was to cut them loose and because they're the Catholick Corporation and they do anything they damn well please, they suddenly said OK, the rule just changed and now it's priests must be celibate or else perish in hell. I guess they just let the current wives die out. Although I wouldn't put it past them to have 'em executed. This was around the 17th Century. So yes it's definitely all about the bux deluxe. Religions ultimately have to be about something tangible to make sense because otherwise they're about something you made up yourself. Why not money?
The Catholic Church seems to have such little faith in Catholics. Have they done such a poor job of teaching that they fear following the law will cause Catholics to make "wrong" choices?
Yeah, well, the jig was up when church attendance was required,missing a sin. Gotta think you were missing something if that was necessary.
I was born and raised Catholic. I am 47 years old. There are many things I love about the Catholic beliefs but also many I find archaic and also discriminatory. With the latest uproar over contraception and health care, I got to thinking about a lot of reasons why I disagree with the Catholic views. Whether the church thinks President Obama is violating their freedom of religion, (for the record, I do not think he is) is in my mind a moot point. For decades, Catholic employers have been issuing paychecks to women employees of all faiths. Most of these women, Catholic included, would and continue to cash their paychecks and with "Catholic" money, since it came from a Catholic employer, would go out and purchase birth control. So you see, The Catholic employers have been funding birth control already for many decades. President Obama is just trying to make life easier for these women. Who knows, maybe with the money they save on birth control, they can give more to the church.
Sorry, what was the question? I was too busy telepathically asking some cosmic jewish zombie to remove an evil from me that was put there by a rib-woman who was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree.
Will subverting Federal Law to Canon Law REQUIRE that Federal Law MUST SUBMIT to Sharia Law?
If the Catholic Church can set its own rules, can Islam? Can Christian Scientists? Seventh Day Adventists?
Are we to scrap the first amendment?
Where did Lawrence Odonnell get the statistic that the majority of Catholics are pro abortion? This is such a typical example of how liberals make a comment that is not true and broadcast as factual. As a Catholic with anti abortion beliefs I am offended by this false statement.
I think I've seen that most Catholics are pro-choice. Not necessarily for themselves, but as policy. Pro-choice is not the same as pro-abortion. I hate the idea of abortion and would not want to choose that path,but grateful never had to be faced with the choice,but I am pro-choice. That may include abortion as someone's choice.
I do not think it is a mistake for the president to require that "employers do not discriminate on the basis of religion, political affiliations and so on, and so on...." That is the law of the land. I would like to remind everyone that it is up to us to use or not to use. It is a matter between our faith and our circumstances. It is not even for a priest to say anything or to judge us. If an employee pays for insurance and men Viagra is covered, I think it is only fair that BC is covered too. Any kind of medical, prescription should be covered.
Republicans, cannot say that is not a right. Freedom of choice when is a right. Women have a right to choose to risk a pregnancy or not.
Catholics institutions are employers. If they did not hire anyone then they would not be employers.
A church which practice Christians principles will continue to practice them. The policy of "Do unto others what you would want them to do to you", will still be practiced by real Christian churches. It will not keep me from voting for President Obama. It is stupid to think that an employer who provides insurance to his employees would do it only if the employees believe the same way as the owner of the business.
In the case of Churches, they will recognize that God gave all free will. It is up to the individual to use it at he/she pleases having God as his/her judge not man. I think churches should not be allowed to discriminate against someone who uses birth control or because that person does not believe exactly the same way.
I think this matter should be between the insurance company and the person who is the insured. I think insurance companies have been fighting not to have to pay for women's birth control.
How about adding VIAGRA to the sexuality drugs that the Catholic bishops won't fund with insurance?
I agree with Joni. Also, Mark Shields is an old, out of touch moron. I am also a Roman Catholic and when any organiztion offers employment, services etc. to the general public it should abide by all the laws and rules other employers have to abide by. These religious organizations are already exempt from taxation (property and school taxes being the greatest advantage) which allow them to unfairly compete in the open market. Now we want to allow them to descriminate against employees right to equal insurance coverage? Give me a break! What would happen if the Church of Scientology had buisnesses and decided not to fund any medical treatments? Give me a break!
Give me a break. The Catolic church is one of the largest donors to homeless, and those in need in local communities. For every student that attend catholic schools that results in a less burden and more money to the public school sysyrm. These parents pay local state tax and by not sending their kids to public school provide more resources to the public school system. Catholic schools should not pay taxes. You make it seem like they are getting a break because of they are tax exempt. Local governments shoul be thankful for every Catholic school in their district!
No, you have it backwards. For every student that attends a Catholic school, other private school, or is even homeschooled, the public schools have less money, because their funding is based on how many students are enrolled. So, Catholic schools are depriving public schools and their students of resources, and should pay taxes just like any secular private school that charges tuition payments and sucks vital tax dollars from local economies. Catholic schools? No thanks.
Additionally, Catholic schools were originally created so that their children wouldn't be "indoctrinated" with science (like evolution, for example). Now that the Catholic church pays lip service to science and reasoning, this isn't as big of a deal, but I still say, "No thanks!"
As for Mark Shields, his cherry picking was quite annoying. You can't have an anti-slavery movement without the Methodist churches? Maybe, but let's not forget how many churches were pro-slavery! And that goes for all of his social issues he brought up. You don't get to just pick the good and ignore the bad.
I was also annoyed about them showing poll numbers. Really? We can't just do the right thing? We have to worry about if the right thing is popular?
I am tired of white males telling me what I can do with my body!!!!!!!
Last I looked Conservatives,Republicans, and the Catholic Church hierarchy were NOT the President's base. Most Catholics okay with contraception option.
Mark Shields is an old, out of touch moron. I am also a Roman Catholic and when any organiztion offers employment, services etc. to the general public it should abide by all the laws and rules other employers have to abide by. These religious organizations are already exempt from taxation (property and school taxes being the greatest advantage) which allow them to unfairly compete in the open market. Now we want to allow them to descriminate against employees rights to equal insurance coverage? Give me a break! What would happen if the Church of Scientology had buisnesses and decided not to fund any medical treatments? Give me a break! Unfortunately this gives the FAR Right spinmeisters more fodder to spin. Most of these far righters are the biggest hypocrites and biggots I've ever seen!
JimC: I saw that freaky old woman on Lawrence tonight. His thinking is exercised as Paula Deen's arteries. I was about to have a spakatak. Or at the very least get up and smack his ugly face.
I don't see how the Government, the administration could possibly side with ONE religion by denying American citizens,employees the same health ins. coverage as any other because it violates ONE religion's tenets? The wife of a non-Catholic Catholic university book keeper can not have legal birth control pills, prescribed by HER doctor, at HER request covered because of Catholic doctrine?
This SHOULD be a non issue. Insurance should cover birth control. There is no gun at any woman's head MAKING her take birth control. What about the morning after pill for women who have been raped? Or women who have been the victim of incest. So after being violated she's got to come out of her pocket and pay for the morning after pill? Really? If religious institutions want health care providers to remove coverage of birth control , then those institutions SHOULD NOT take federal taxpayer money. BTW, I don't here where there's a problems with offering to pay for vasectomies.
Thank God Jehovah's,Christian Scientists don't have lots of hospitals and universities. Pres and admin. would have to exempt all medical care,transfusions,prescriptions....
Told the Mormons no multiple marriages. Catholic old men, get over it. Separation Church and State.