What, you cant have an opposing view on a liberal news network? You need only people that agree with you? Where's the fun in that??

It's always good to know what the right is shoveling. All I can say about Mr. Cain is that he's the brainwashed one. Any other comment would be impolite, but I can think it.

The last couple of days have been very traumatic for followers of the Republican candidates, first by the announcement by Blunder Woman Sarah Palin that she would not be pursuing the the Office of President of the United States. Now in a miraculous turn of events the recent winner of the Florida Straw Poll, Herman "Hermanator" Cain, in with so many words, has shown that he has the moxy to take Sarah Palin's place. We can now feel relieved that there will be no shortage of "over the top" statements to keep us amused. Welcome to the Show, act II.

it used to be that you would shine a light on these things and these people would scurry away and hide.

now, these people will say and do really really stupid things and when those things are pointed out, it is some sort of lame excuse like, oh you are trampling on my first amendment rights, oh im sorry but im not politically correct i just tell it like it is, oh you are taking is out of context, oh this is all liberal media bias.

the only thing republicans have done in the last few years is mainstreamed ideas and opinions that belong in the trash can of history along with earth is flat idea or the earth is the center of the universe idea.

Republican and Tea Party pols run toward their gaffs, not away from them. This gets the 30% base of crazies all worked up into a rah-rah frenzy and makes for good television. It has nothing whatsoever to do with governing or any of the dire issues that the country and the world faces. The GOTP performances are more suited toward being in a circus side-show rather than running the country. If it weren't so scary, it would be funny.

@ Mare P - All I can say about Mr. Cain is that he's the brainwashed one.

Yeah... What's Cain thinkin? He oughta get in line and take his marchin orders from the real leaders of the Afro-Merican community... the Holey reverends Jesse and Al. Sure, they've done a whole lot to help there own people. Idiots!!!

Herman Cain is successful because he put the work in, like anyone else who "finds" success in this world.

I agree he's brainwashed, and thank goodness!

Maybe Obama should tell them to "stop complain'n and fall in line"?

When a half-black president is appalled that blacks have the nerve to be unhappy with his failures you know that brainwashed submission is not only plausible, it is what is expected.

Well stated......with all of the discussion (attacks???) on what Herman Cain has said and how he is the "brainwashed" one....I believe his point is being made for him.

replytoj001

Paul, you never fail to make me laugh.

I've got news, not just for the blacks, but all Americans: Stop complaining, take of the slippers and put on your marching shoes. Complaining gets us nowhere. Sitting at home in slippers gets us nowhere. Put on the shoes, and march to what you believe in. I think we would find that if all the reasonable (read left-leaning) people hit the streets, the right would be scared witless.

That means not being lazy. That means joining groups and showing up to be counted, like I have. Like my elderly mother has.

If the suggestion that being lazy makes the left mad, GOOD. Get out there and prove you're not!

As for Cain, he's from planet goofball. Catch him in a lie and he says you're trying to misconstrue his words? Come on.

Black people? Do You believe you're brainwashed? That sounds like someone is calling you stupid and gullible. I don't buy that, and I'm pasty white. Get out there and show them that you vote Democrat because Democrats best represent your interests.

Just an aside, is Anyone on planet Earth surprised that Palin isn't running? Really? She made as much money speaking as she could, and has quit, much like she did with Alaska. Same as Trump, who was just trying to get a ratings bump. Cristie probably knows that the Jersey mob would bump him off if he ran, so I'm not counting much on him. It's the crazy religious woman, the Dixiecrat oil guy and his good ol' boys, and the plastic business dismemberment Mormon. Sorry 'bout your luck GONTP, but the credible people in your ranks at this point are very, very thin. I think I'll vote for the guy that's fought a hostile congress since he got in office, AND got most of his agenda through, despite his setbacks. I hope thinking America will too, if we can pry them away from what they are doing long enough to vote. The fact that we don't have nearly 100% voting in this country is, frankly, embarrassing.

Blacks voted 95% for Obama. Blacks typically vote around 80% democrat. Democrats were the party of Jim Crowe. Democrat governors blocked the integration of schools. Democrats religiously voted in Klansmen (Robert Byrd). Democrats keep the poor dependent on welfare. Large blocks of the Black community is constantly poor.

Who's not brainwashed?

I'm going to quote Avianic (below) to respond to your nonsense, dawg, since the education system has failed you.

"Once upon a time, some Democrats were racists. We called them Dixiecrats because they lived in the South and there's some sort of Dixie whatever in the South. They enacted Jim Crow laws, which mandated horrible segregation and said black people weren't as good as white people. Presidents pandered to them for way too long... but then things started to change. Truman pushed back a bit, then Kennedy, then LBJ pushed for and signed the Civil Rights Act in 1964 and the Voting Rights Act of 1965. Then the Dixiecrats got angry and joined the GOP via Nixon's "great silent majority."

That's why the South is a Republican stronghold now instead of a Democratic one. And this is also why I'm sick of Republicans talking about how they're the party of Lincoln and Democrats are all racists because of Jim Crow. You're not anymore. We tossed you our racists. We gave you a racist transfusion in 1965. We know they're there, because we're the ones who gave them to you. Deal with it. We got rid of our problem, they're yours now."

Educate me some more. Who flipped Republican, because I don't know. The truth is, the Democrats have the racist past and present. The South votes republican mostly because the democrats social views clash with theirs. Personal responsibility is also cherished in the south, while the Democrats promote dependence on government. Conservatives would rather Blacks be independent, while liberals just want to keep them on welfare.

It would behoove the TPers in here to google Augusto Perochet who was the dictator/president of CHILE when their Social Security was changed. This is the plan Cain wants???

Other TP candidate new is:

More Bucks for Bidness, Less for Kids

Wednesday, 05 October 2011 10:03 Static

Fort Worth Weekly

State Sen. Wendy Davis fought long and hard earlier this year to find a way to keep the state from cutting $5 billion in education spending.

One of her proposals was to keep private corporations — particularly energy companies — from getting billions in tax breaks. Now the Fort Worth senator is fighting another battle. Some energy companies want local school districts to refund tax money the companies have paid over the past five years. That could put school districts, already in deep financial trouble, on the hook for more than $130 million, and she’s trying to stop it.

Davis has asked the Texas Commission on Environmental Quality for its records involving San Antonio-based Valero Energy Corp.

In 2006, the Environmental Protection Agency ruled that Valero and other energy companies had to invest in better equipment to remove sulfur dioxide from diesel and gasoline. TCEQ ruled in 2007 that they didn’t qualify for those tax breaks under state law.

But now, Gov. Rick Perry’s energy-friendly TCEQ appointees are considering reversing the 2007 ruling.

If TCEQ does rule in favor of Valero, there will be plenty of other energy companies with their hands out wanting to get cash back from school districts.

“Our school districts have been under-funded by more than $5 billion over the next two years while outdated corporate tax loopholes were protected by those in charge of the legislature,” Davis said in a statement. “Taking care of our school children should take priority over political cronyism.”

Political cronyism in Texas under Perry? No, really?

Valero Energy CEO William Klesse made

$9,830,331. in 2010

Slinky...LOL!!! Nice try bud, but my Dad's side of the family are all racist, bleeding-heart, liberal democrats from country east Texas. You should have seen how twisted and contorted they were last election.

I always like how people only like to tell half the history of the two parties. You are only partially right on the history. Following the Civil War, Blacks voted solidly Republican but then the Republican party implemented their Southern Strategy and courted the old Dixiecrats who fled to the Republican party in droves following LBJ's passage of the Civil Rights act so that now the Republican party is just the old Democratic party. Remember the old Dixiecrats Strom Thurmond and Jesse Helms use to be in the Democratic party until gasp, the Democratic party stopped making sure Blacks stayed in their place.

The other part of the switch from the Republican Party to the Democratic Party was an attempt by the black electorate to put pressure on those in power in the part of the country in which they lived. Prior to the Great Migration, the majority of Blacks in this country lived in the south. At that time, there were very few Republicans in power in the south. Therefore, it was silly to be involved in a party that really couldn't help the cause.

So you see, some of us "brainwashed" blacks know the history and truth of both parties.

Why is the race card being constantly played. I wish it would die already. We are all different races, and pitting one against the other on a steady diet of the past is getting ridiculous. Most of us have moved on to the 21st century way of equality thinking. Are we perfect? Of course not, but we are head and shoulders over and above the mindset of the previous centuries. The only thing that the race card continues to do is encourage being divisive. We really need to start pulling together, not apart.

As for Cain and all the other candidates, I feel that they would be far more successful if they would shut up and listen, instead of spout off and fumble. The job of the politician is to represent the needs, wishes, ideals and requirements of the people s/he is elected by. Their own personal and party agendas must be secondary to those of the voters. Of course, the voters usually try to elect someone who they feel is on the same page as themselves, and the politician tries to reflect that stance, but it's very difficult to be all things to all people. We must select carefully.

If Cain is your choice of candidate, go for it. If it's someone else, put your support there. The bottom line is that we all have different things that we admire, want or need. Selecting and voting for a representative that reflects those qualities should not be based solely on geographic location, party affiliation or skin color. Lastly, the only brainwashing scenario I see on a continuous ticker are the lame attempts of opposing parties that say the difference in candidate ability is attributed to and by the playing of the race card.

The "brainwashed" concept goes all ways. Cain says blacks are brainwashed by the left, while all of America is undeniably under siege from a 24/7 "all-media" propaganda machine created, funded, and operated by the right.

Politicians leverage latent fears, latent hopes, and latent hate... it's what they do. The real problem is when they generalize like Cain, Obama, and people on this thread are doing. Blacks are no less capable of sorting through this mess as anyone else. Whites and other minorities are not immune to false logic and fear mongering either.

Generalizations in the name of race, gender, nationality, and religion do nothing but insult and divide... but maybe that's really the whole point anyway?

@Thorndog: Dems were the party of Jim Crow, same as Republi-cants were party of Lincoln. But a lot has changed. Today's right-wing GOP is nothing like the party of Lincoln. Today's Democrats better represent the interests of the middle class and working class.

Cain's handlers are misguided. It's the same foolish notion that women disappointed that Hillary Clinton didn''t get tapped to run would vote for McCain just because Palin was on the ticket. Big mistake. And thinking that blacks, liberals, and swing voters will vote for Cain just because he's black is ridiculous.

I am black and Cain insulted me. This man makes careless, inaccurate, foundless statements. I would not vote for him under any circumstances.

I would like to make a point to Thorndawg & Sliky. There was a flip but we never learned about it because if you are like me, I was in Grade school in 1964, we didn't have a free press then. We thought we did but we all know better now. Here is something to ponder. I had to move to Dallas in 1981 as there were no jobs in Michigan. While I was there, it became very clear to me that the civil was is still ragging, The South is still fighting that war. They still hate black people and think they should be slaves and not allowed to vote. you can see it very clearly today. These Duma$$es like that Rep. Gomer from TX. Look at what some of these guys from say. They have had an agenda to run this country. Why do you think the South is doing so well. They controll the energy. Its not that they have plenty of clean water, Air. What they do have is an uneducated work force that will work for nothing because they don't know any better, That allows people Like the Koch brothers to take full addvantage of. They let these company's do what ever and when they get sick and die, its to bad. Look at these mine workers, my dad had black lung, Hid dad died from that. But because the unions in the north so no more, they are anti business. The South is doing well because they have gotten to many Presidents from the South. Nixon was the last Northern President Until now and the South can't stand it that he is black.

Like I'm really going to watch a whole evening of Herman Cain... really? I don't watch a whole segment of Herman Cain. Know your audience Lawrence.

This one made me chuckle. I think the poster just proved Mr. Cain's point. Many on the left wont even CONSIDER or listen to other ideas. They remind of a little kid with his hands over his ears yelling, "I'm not listening! I'm not listening!"

These are the ones who go through Newsvine collapsing all non-liberal posts. Grow up and start practicing the tolerance you love to preach about.

Isn't MSN something !!! Time to try to turn this black Republican into a bigot !

Amazing.

Paul F

The liberals are clearly out to discredit the Tea Party, and concerned conservatives.

The Teabags and conservatives do a dandy job of discrediting themselves.

Well I think Cain's got a point - if there's one thing I'm SICK of hearing about, it's the so-called "Southern Strategy" of Richard Nixon supposedly turning the Republican party into a bunch of Racists. Tell a lie often enough and people will believe it's true. Here's what happened: Eisenhower, a Republican, started pushing for a Civil Rights bill in 1951 (remember, HE is the one that called out the National Guard to forcibly de-segregate schools in the Democratic South). He had some success, but the BIG Civil Rights Act which was signed by Johnson got through Congress mostly through the efforts of Republicans and NORTHERN Democrats, particulary Hubert Humphrey. Humphrey was hated SO BADLY by Southern Dems that all Nixon really had to do was say "I'm NOT Hubert Humphrey." THAT was the sum total of his "Southern Strategy." Nixon, who was VP under Eisenhower, later signed Title IX which pushed gender equality in public schools and universities - hardly a racist move.

Yes I'm sure you Dems get sick of hearing about stuff that happened 50-100 years ago, well this alleged "Southern Strategy" is also ancient history. The big 3 causes in the South are God, Guns and Abortion - THOSE are the things Southern Dems are concerned with, have been that way since Regan (over 30 years ago), and THOSE are the reasons why Southern Dems vote Republican for President. Not all, of course, and let's not pretend Dems don't have racists in their ranks, either. My sister is a very liberal Dem, and she almost didn't vote for Obama because he's Black. She has since told me she won't vote for him again because he's a FAILURE! He had his shot, and he BLEW IT!!! Time for some new ideas. Vote 'em all out!!!

The proof of the pudding: those who won't listen to someone, in this case Cain, because someone else told them what he has to say is not for their ears.

There is a lot of that going on.... I watch MSNBC, CNN, and Fox News. I challenge liberals to quit thinking they know what's on Fox News (because others tell them) and try tuning in for a week. You might be surprised what you'd learn.

For example, if you only watch NBC and MSNBC, you'd have no idea that Eric Holder is now on the hot seat for lying to congress over when he knew about "Operation Fast and Furious". This is a BIG story (first uncovered by CBS, not FOX) but totally ignored by NBC. Scooter Libby went to jail for lying to congress, so it's nothing to be taken lightly. Those who rely only on MSNBC only get the pieces they want you to see.

@ Zapper

Amen.

QVCdiva,

thank you for pointing out what happened in the '60's when the southern democratic party flipped to republican because they didn't want civil rights for african americans when LBJ passed the Civil Rights Act.

i am absolutely surprised that herman cain doesn't know his history better, or maybe he is just lying. how can anyone not know the history of the south during this transformational/emotional time in our history?

i hear republicans say all the time how the republican party advanced civil rights, while the democratic party condemned those rights. they are leaving out a very important, essential part of history.

and they talk about democrats being revisionists.

Like Fox only puts out the whole truth. The people at Fox still believe that Saddam had WMD's, they still believe that Obama started and put us into two wars, they still believe that the financial crisis and the complete devaluation of property was caused since 2008. They still refuse to publish the fact that the Post Office has been fiscally profitable, but robbed by congressional machinations of book keeping. Either they can't keep up with historical truths or heaven forbid they are lying to us poor idiots

Man, he is telling it like it is!!!! Black churches for decades have been cesspools for preaching entitlements, retribution on whites!!!

kpokeefe

and you sound just like a typical un-american racist/bigot! one or other seems like both.

they can not be as bad as all those white Church`s preaching jesus hate.

Jesus of the Hypocrites!

NC, Fox is not one person with one opinion... If you watched, you'd see that all of those topics have been covered ad nauseum on Fox with a variety of viewpoints expressed on all of them. They have liberals on virtually every show to present the liberal point of view.

If a story is damaging to republicans, they run it. If it's damaging to democrats, they run it. It's called news reporting and it's something that MSNBC doesn't do. If they (MSNBC) don't think a story fits their agenda, they bury it. Fox doesn't do this like MSNBC does. They actually DISCUSS it with both conservatives and liberals on the screen.... They obviously have a conservative slant, but they don't refuse to cover stories that don't fit conservatism.

As impressed as I am that some GOPers "know some people" who are Democratic and racist, because that's a clearly scientific and logical argument, let me just explain why you're all contorting this too much.

I don't have to prove that Nixon did weird code words or whatever during his campaign for the "Southern Strategy." The reason for that is the numbers speak for themselves. Southern Democrats fled to the GOP in DROVES. And there were enough of them not only to turn those states red, but solid red for decades. I'm pretty sure that decades of loyal GOP voting wasn't simply a protest vote against Hubert Humphrey, as much as revisionists would like to claim. They felt betrayed by the Civil Rights Act, and for most of them the status quo was why they stayed with what they felt was an increasingly northern-led Democratic party. But you can't tell me with a straight face that they suddenly stopped being racists when they joined the GOP.

I'll easily say that the GOP as a whole didn't suddenly turn racist then. But to somehow deny that you all got a massive transfusion of southern racists that you accepted into the party to this day is ridiculous. Not to mention, to somehow claim that this massive transfusion in no way affected your elected representatives in those states. Or worse, to somehow say that it's the Democrats (who deep-sixed their electoral votes for decades to push for civil rights) who are really the racists.

If you're still on the fence, consider this. The "Party of Lincoln" has a surprising number of people who wish the South won the war. Have fun reconciling that.

I love Herman Cain. He is telling it like it is. He has an audience.

I love campaigns because they set the national agenda.

Cain is right on with his assessment of MOST Americans. I was never brainwashed into voting for Obama.

Go Cain Go!

bruce,

it will be my pleasure to counter your statement about fox and their news reporting, even if it is damaging to republicans, and to fox news, specifically.

during a commercial break on "fox news watch", the program devoted to media criticism and calling out the biases of and inaccurasies of other networks, cal thomas, jon scott, pinkerton and others were caught discussing the rupert murdoch phone hacking scandal during a commercial break, forgetting that camera's were on for a "behind the scenes" look. "anyone want to talk about the story we're not covering"? "not with a ten foot pole". you can go to "you tube" and watch it, if you want to see how fox news really operates.

MSNBC reported many times on their own parent company, GE, not paying taxes, i have heard all of them talk about it, IN GREAT DETAIL. and of course we know that fox news beat that story to death.

but when there is a scandal in their own news corp., they won't discuss it until they caught trying to bury it, then they have no choice.

did you know that fox news has a black ops room that allowed/enabled them/built specifically to hack into phones, the phones of 9/11 victims?

fox news loves to critique and criticize everybody else, but won't address a huge problem like phone hacking until they get caught trying to cover it up.

whoops.

I think you are pretty much full of BS. I know I've heard many times on Fox that loopholes should be closed so that all major US corps (including GE) pay taxes. Look, tea party members dont want the rich to not pay taxes. They just understand that the rich already pay their fair share, and if you tax them to death they will (a) quit spending money and providing jobs, which hurts the economy and (b) just leave and go elsewhere (and they can afford to). Then we get NOTHING from them.

All of this "evil rich" stuff is a smokescreen to keep the left occupied so they don't start asking the tough questions of their own leadership. Deflect, deflect, deflect.....

bruce,

just like fox news you ignore the most important part of my comment. you don't care that fox news has a black ops room built specifically to hack into phone lines? you find that to be "fair and balanced"?

according to a report released in dec. of 2010 by WorldPublicOpinion at the university of maryland, "misinformation and the 2010 election", the more people watch fox news the more they are misinformed. the report found that it wasn't only republicans that were misinformed, democrats who watch fox news are also misinformed, but to a lesser degree.

i realize that i am not going to change your mind about any of this, as you will not change mine. i have watched enough of fox news to know what they will cover and what they will not.

for example david vitters diaper fettish and others that i dare not mention here.

SCK,

racist, not racists.

thats right, neither of you have a response or defense for the fact that fox news has a black ops room to hack into phones and email of the general public and also of their employees.

and i might add here for bruce that i have also heard fox news discuss closing tax loopholes, but that conversation is all based on tax reform, and getting taxes down for the rich. grover norquist has the republican party by the balls, and a few republicans hate being in the gridlock that grover and his silly pledges have caused.

after reagan gave the biggest tax cuts to corporations ever, he also raised taxes at least 11 times to offset the impending deficit (due to the tax cuts).

you are being schoolgirl silly when you accuse me and others of screaming racism at those who simply disagree with our president. we are not. it is absolutely unbelievable that you think that we think that all republicans are racists, that is simply not true.

perhaps you didn't see and hear the racist hysteria from the tea party. pictures of Obama as a witch doctor or hitler. signs brandished with the word "niggar", watermelon and curious george effigies. rush limbaugh, "Barack the magic negro", and referring to him as a "black-man child".

when W. (the biggest deficit builder of them all) was president the tea party sat silently by saying nothing about the increasing debt. THEY SAID NOTHING until we elected an african american President, Barack Obama. they decided to freak out, because there is no bigger motivator than hate and bigotry. that was the common denominator for many. so when we say that the tea party is racist, as a general rule that is what has been found to be true. most baggers are racist now and have had long-standing issues with racism. what i saw when the tea party came into the fore was straight-up racism.

to be fair, i think many people in the south (and elsewhere) have been raised this way, and it is difficult to change. i knew that President Obama as the first black president would have to pay his dues, and he is, more than should be expected. just as it might be difficult for republicans to vote for Mitt Romeney, a mormon. before Jack Kennedy was elected, some thought that a catholic would never be elected president.

personally, i do not remember a president being treated so disrespectfully as President Obama.

as for the phone hacking scandal and rupert murdoch, you do remember Watergate, don't you?

But it was so funny...

Or the Simpsons.......... your vote impacts us all. Use your God-given brain, not someone else's!

How can he write a book about his journey to the nomination when the journey isn't over yet? Do they know something we don't know or do they have a crystal ball?

Taxes are too high. The simple minded people are the ones that only look at federal taxes. After you account for state taxes, excise taxes, gas taxes, vehicle taxes, sales taxes, payroll taxes, property taxes, we are lucky to see half our paycheck.

9-9-9 makes sense to me - lower taxes for everyone who is paying them now - maybe not for people who are not, but then, everyone should pay taxes if they have an income end enjoy the privileges of living here.

AZChzhd (I'm from WI, too; lv in AZ): federal income tax (if done fairly, which they aren't) are the only taxes you mentioned that don't affect the lower and middle income in much worse ways than they hurt the wealthy. I.E., if someone who makes $15,000/year pays $1,500/year in sales, gas, vehicle taxes, etc., it hurts them way more than someone who makes a million bucks a year.

Of course, we need income taxes, and I don't mind paying my fair share -- if only the wealthy paid theirs (and if only my tax money was used for education, keeping our air and water clean, and the infrastructure, rather than war-for-oil that benefits only the big military industrial complex).

Hey Deb...you made a good move leaving that godforsaken state lol Although its nice to visit. I am merely suggesting to people that try to tell me taxes are too low that there are other taxes we pay besides federal income taxes that take a bite out of our income. I am more apt to be in agreement that $1 million should be the threshold for tax increases rather than $250k because I dont want to see small businesses taxed more. Also I think the Democrats are barking up the wrong tree with income taxes. The rich, like Warren Buffet, dont have income, therefore dont pay income taxes. They need to take a look at the capital gains taxes in my opinion.

But...bottom line is, I would rather see spending restraints in place before anyone's taxes are increased. Otherwise we are just throwing the money into the government black hole since there is no accountability at all where the money goes. Those $700 billion loans to solar energy plants as well as the failed Solyndra nonsense is one of a billion examples where existing revenues of over $2.2 trillion annually could be spent better.

What if 9-9-9 becomes 20-20-20? And wealthy pay nothing.

Would that be a good idea?

Would 9-9-9 be a good idea if it becomes necessary to eliminate the entire federal prison system, DEA, BATF, border patrol, and DoD because of insufficient funds?

AZChzhd, I hate to pick on you but you're not remotely on point, your numbers are ridiculous, and I actually had to re-read it to make sure that was what you were actually saying. It's a little depressing to see people actively thinking that. There were never 700 billion dollars of loans to solar energy plants.

700 Billion Dollars = Entire Bailout Bill.
18 Billion Dollars = "solar energy plants", or to be remotely accurate, a list of incentives and other boosts to energy industries including the coal industry.

Also, that 18 billion dollars came from tax breaks to oil companies. Maybe one of your other billion examples will be better though.

This incessant envy / hate towards the rich is really sad.

The top 1% earn less than 20% of income, and pay 40% of all income taxes.

If this is not "fair", what is?

And if this was SOOOOOO important, why did Obama focus on Obamacare, when fixing this "problem" would have meant more money to the government for everything, including Obamacare?

Wait, wait, I know this one. Because his supporters are Wall St, Big Pharma, Big Health Insurance, and guys like GE's CEO Jeffrey. He has way more billionaire buddies than Bush.

Yeah, your richie-rich has created a bigger divide in the poor to rich chasm. On his watch the number of poor has increased, as has the millions on food stamps. Unemployment is higher than when he became President, and there was an increase in millionaires by 30% in his first year.

Your guys stats prove he is an utter con-man and a fraud.

But yeah, let's mis-characterize Cain, because God forbid we elect someone who made a company, made a payroll, and has a good experienced head on his shoulders.

Paul F - As far as I'm concerned the issue isn't rich people, it's shareholders. It's those people who push companies to squeeze every last dollar and cent from the middle and lower classes to help their dividend and justify it by claiming that's all they're supposed to do. Companies are global, workers and governments generally aren't. You're always going to be at a disadvantage with that. It also just so happens that most of the shareholders with any sort of pull are rich and can be just as lazy as some stereotypical welfare recipient.

And someone made a company and a payroll with an experienced head on his shoulders? You know you could say that about Trump as well. Almost the same amount of hair too. Neither one seems to be any good at drafting government policies. I'm not voting for the Forbes top 100, I'm voting for someone to run a government.

Ok, Paul, I'd like to see you back that claim up with a credible source. WSJ doesn't count, by the way, as it's just another Murdock propaganda machine now. Don't even bother with fox. How about IRS?

Capital gains shouldn't be taxed. It just disincentivizes growth, and hurts the middle class by biting into the sale of homes, or dividend shares. The "RICH" aren't the only ones who invest. Smart people invest.

Then dawg, you must either be one of the investor class or a sockpuppet for them, because otherwise, you're saying, "Let ME carry your tax burden for you, Mr. Billionaire!" I hope you enjoy paying a higher percentage of your income in taxes so that investors can pay none!

No we just need more people paying taxes. If it's true 50% of the public don't pay anything, maybe those people ought to contribute.

Herman Cain should start the "Taxes are Too Damn High" party.

My bad. Tea Party has dibs on this.

Pssst... Herman Cain has attended some 40+ tea party rallies. He IS the voice of the tea party. (You know, the "racist" tea party? Oh wait. Cain is BLACK! I wonder if all those racists KNOW that!)

Capital gains shouldn't be taxed.

honestly thats just what needs to be taxed if we are going to tax the top 1% as none of them make money on their little salary's compared to the other gains..

Really? None of them make money on their little salaries? Just because this is the way Buffet operates doesn't mean they all do.

A few years ago I made several thousand dollars on the stock market. Had a very good year. I paid capital gains tax on every penny I made. The next year the market crashed and my balance went lower than it was before. However, I could write off only $3000 in losses for the year (even though I lost at least $20,000). So I had to pay for the gains when I made money, but could only write off a small portion of the losses when I lost.

Buying stocks is not like getting a paycheck. You can make money and just as easily lose it (check your quarterly 401k statement to see how much you've lost in the last quarter). If you tax the gains too high, it won't be worth it to investors, because they can't write off their losses when it goes bad. People who buy stocks put money into companies to help them grow. The stock market provides companies with money so they can provide jobs. If you have a job, your company's pension plan (if they have one) is probably a huge investor in the stock market. Pension plans (full of "little people") hold a large amount of American stocks.

We need to get over this "stock market is evil" thing. This is just Obama's way of blaming someone else for his own policy failures (See Saul Alinsky's Rules For Radicals. Pick a target, personalize it, and demonize it. Textbook.)

@evelyn...But when Obama makes the same type of statements it doesn't insult you?

Can you explain that to me?

@Thorndawg

Most of that 50% not paying federal taxes include the underemployed and unemployed. If they're not making more than roughly $8000 per year (minimum threshold for paying federal taxes) then how do you expect them to pay their share? It's really bothersome when I hear all these pundits/politicians/people in general say that half the population isn't paying their fair share. A lot of those people are just like me, who would love to put in their share, but are in my current situation. This year alone I've made a grand total of $5,000, and that's working two jobs. I doubt my YTD will hit the $8000 mark this year. And it's people like me who are selfish, lazy, the ones who are waging class-warfare?

I think not.

I think what Mr. Caine is saying is that maybe the standard notion that your vote doesn't count unless it represents one of the collectives may be wrong. He may have a point if you look at what voting "Union" has gotten us. It seems to me when a group or collective fixes thier vote to one party or the other thier views and positions actually get pushed to the side for the sake of those who are independent and less committed to one party or the other. Maybe we should stop these groups from claiming to represent us and form new ones that are less likely to sell us out for thier owe political gains?

I liked the interview.

Hardly surprising that Cain did not cooperate with the interview questions.

Cain appeared incompetent when O'Donnell offered Cain the opportunity to demonstrate math for the 9-9-9 plan in public.

I was impressed when O'Donnell was trying unsuccessfully to get Herman to do some elementary school math in public or explain who helped him come up with this plan.

The key to the Cain Plan is to raise sales taxes that would reduce consumer demand, which is one of the things that is already causing a problem with the economy.

I agree. I don't particularly care for Citizen Cain's politics or idea's but L O'D treated him very unprofessionally. The segment about Cain dodging the Vietnam War was pathetic on L O'D's part. His rants night after night disgust me and I always end up changing the channel. He has the "Little Man" syndrome going on. I wish MSNBC would replace him and bring Keith Olbermann back. At least he can put a rant together that is worthwhile and doesn't sound like a bully.

I think Lawrence damaged all of us by allowing Cain to look like he was being victimized. His line of questioning about Cain's Vietnam service (or indirect service) should not have been pursued. Interviewing Cain in a setting where he had a cheerleading section was also unwise. Cain's economic policies would be even more disastrous than anything we're struggling through right now, but this may have nudged him closer to being a viable contender.

He does kinda lose it when a guest gets the best of him. Cain's answer about his military experience was OK with me. If Lawrence is offended about that, Is he offended that the young unemployed graduates are not volunteering to join the service and deploy to Iraq or Afghanistan?

I agree. First time I watched him. I am surprised he even has a show. He is a NUT SACK! Never watch him again.

They aren't looking for that many bodies to send overseas.

Speaking as a liberal myself, trying to go after someone for not fighting in Vietnam, whether they avoided it or just got lucky, is kind of hypocritical. I thought we championed people who stood on principle during that war?

O'Donnell was just showing his REAL racism... a black man with independent thought

I saw someone that worked in the finance committee in Washington identify someone that can't answer hard questions about government finance.

I saw the host of the Last Word become frustrated when Cain hijacked the show.

I saw Herman Cain provide some responses that will loose some voters.

I did not see any hint of racism from either Lawrence or Herman.

John LYNN - What was the problem John? Were the questions too hard for the Pizza Man? Did he hurt his head trying to make a sensical answer? Or is it that it was too painful for you to not be able to understand Cain's NON-ANSWERS? It looked to me like he couldn't answer Lawrence's questions so he ducked and weaved.

Cain is much less experienced than Obama in spin and lies. Oh, and since he doesn't use a teleprompter and refuse to answer hard questions, I can see how liberals get confused.

If you think a spontaneous discussion from an angry liberal defines a candidate, think again. Obama would not even sit for an interview like this during his candidacy, because he was both an empty suit and a coward.

Paul F - God, I love people like you. Obama has done countless news conferences, has taken questions from House Republicans at THEIR events repeatedly, and he always does extremely well. He's done interviews with Fox News, with Bill O'Reilly. No teleprompter. Always talking about policy as well as values, and there's more than I mentioned. But you probably honestly had no idea about any of it. I bet you even think I'm a liar, but are too scared to google it and find out.

That said, I think O'Donnell could have taken a better angle on him. Why not exclusively focus on his tax plan and his shariah law fears?

L'OD is a pompass, I am smarter than you, ass with an agenda.......all republicans/conservatives/TPs/etc = evil and bad

All progressive/democtats/liberrals = good

He is just like Hannity....have an agenda and push it....everyone who disagrees is either wrong or too dumb to follow

IMHAOWO, L'OD can't comprehend a simple plan which make the tax code more transparent and much more fair toward everyone, with real shared sacrifice & skin in the game for all..........he cannot comprehend this because there is no way to confuse or befuddle the idiot masses

replytoj001

If Cain can't stand up to in your face questions, he has to business being CInC or the chief executive. He looked like he was back on his heels from the first question. He's a lightweight.

@replytoj001: I'm only going to take issue with your take on Cain's taxation proposal being, "fair toward everyone." It is not. It will shift the tax burden even further from the rich unto the poor, like all regressive tax systems do. Go do some research on where he got that plan (likely pulled it out of his ass because it made a good sound bite). When Cain stated that "they" had done a lot of analysis on the plan, O'Donnell SHOULD have pressed him to show where he got those numbers.

I don't watch ODonnell for the same reason. HE is a mirror image of the FOX guys who simply shout down and attempt to bully their guests, if they can't win that way, then insult them straight out. Somebody likes this format of bad manners - cause thye're on TV all the time. As for Cain, Somebody is paying way too much for their pizzas. They made him a very wealthy guy and I cannot see why.

Viet Nam service? Most liberals regard honest service in that era as somewhat of a negative. I know how my peers, liberal and otherwise handled service in that time. Anyone remember?

in a way i do.

found most liberal found them selfs drafted and laying in rice paddy's along with the others who could not get a deferment!

@John Lynn

I agree with you there is no reason to treat someone like that. May not agree with Mr. Caine but think people should be open to listening and debating calmly. All this feverish hate on both sides of the issues does nothing but further polarize the population.

Cain does not even have the good sense to lie about his disastrous 999 plan.

The 999 plan like obama's budgets will never make it through congress.

c5499351... well of course not now. But in 2012 when the Senate shifts to the right and the House GOP control is retained, it will. The Democrats are inept. They didnt even pass a budget in the 2 years they had full control.

Crackhead...I would like to know your opinion why its disastrous.

The 9-9-9 plan eliminates the payroll tax and estate tax, which brought in a combined $883 billion in 2010, or about 41 percent of the $2.16 trillion collected by the federal government last year. Cain’s proposal also wipes out taxes on capital gains and repatriated corporate profits.

Cutting capital gains taxes alone would allow 23,000 millionaires to pay NO income taxes, a move that would add $11 billion to the deficit each year. Cain’s fellow GOP presidential candidates Michele Bachmann, Newt Gingrich and Jon Huntsman also support eliminating the capital gains tax.

Cain’s plan to end taxes on corporate profits that are earned overseas and then brought back into America would drop federal revenues by about $80 billion over the next decade.


Cain says if you provide tax cuts to rich people, we will all fare well. But isn’t that what they've been doing for the past 3 decades?


And, finally, one of the nines in Cain's 9-9-9 tax plan is for a 9% federal sales tax. This is in addition to any local and state sales taxes. Ours is currently 9.1%. Under Cain's plan, we'd be paying 19.1% tax on anything we buy. Say, I wanted to buy a $20 shirt; I'd pay almost $4 in sales tax. That $4 probably wouldn't hurt a rich person, but it could really add up for a person who is just scraping by.

Thank you Deborah. Nice.

Consumer demand creates jobs. Wealth has very little to do with it.

The bulk of all wealth exists as real estate, followed by banks, and wall street. None of those create jobs, but they do create dividend payments.

Unemployment will decline when consumer demand increases and real estate vacancies decline.

Wealthy people are not going to change unemployment very much, but they can contribute to the costs of federal prisons, drug enforcement, and foreign wars until the economy improves.

BTW. The Republicans that advocate eliminating capital gain taxes make most of their money on royalties, and this tax policy eliminates taxes on royalties. The total impact is well over the $11 billion, because this eliminates taxes on every book author, singer, and actor.

Personally I have found that IF a Repub lays a plan such as 999 or 666 depending on how you look at it, it is best to scratch the surface from a distance.

The federal sales tax of 9% plus the state sales tax will certainly hurt those that can least afford it. Thanks for the details Deborah.

More voodoo economics designed to make the rich richer, and the rest of us poorer. I resent being told I've been brainwashed. I listen to both sides. The right wing has nothing to offer me.

Which idiot here said real estate doesnt create jobs? Yes it does. First, I get PAID from the renters. Thats my job right there. Second, I hire out apartment managers, steam cleaners, bug killers, rodent killers, painters, you name it to keep my places nice. I also buy nice shiny Redboxes for all of you lazy people who sit and whine about us rich people. You should really ask yourself why I pay zero taxes and why you pay 30%. I spend my hours researching and educating myself, while you do what? Go back to your World of Warcrack and your television "programming".

How much rent do you collect when there are no renters?

About 500,000 dwelling are vacant across the US, and that is one of the factors that collapsed the housing market.

It might just be a coincidence, but about 1,500,000 illegal immigrants left the country since 2007, and they took their consumer demand with them.

If you look at the 9% national sales tax against the 9% income tax, the middle class come out just fine, and folks who do not want to pay sales tax simply can make their own clothes and grow their own food. This is what the loonie left want us all to do anyway.

This liberal nonsense shooting down every idea that isn't theirs, while protecting a federal system that protects illegals while putting legal pot dispensaries out of business, a government that is selling guns to drug dealers who kill our citizens with those guns and loan money to liberally owned businesses after being warned not to do so, a government that overspends more than $1.5 TRILLION annually and wants ANOTHER $450 BILLION this year alone to "fix" things.... yeah, it's quite a record that will result in Obama being the most unsuccessful American President in the history of our great nation.

It would be fitting for Mr Cain to replace this failure.

Paul F - If you think a 9% national sales tax will ever pass, I have no idea what drugs you should take to fix whatever happened to you. On the left, it's nothing but a tax that will take a MUCH higher percentage of middle and low income money than the rich, especially if it encompasses services/bills as well. Hate to break it to you, but that's going to play to independents as well. It's also ridiculously easy to get around if we're talking just products. You were all so gung-ho about examples in Europe around the health care debate, ask them about the underground economies that deepened with a national sales tax. In addition, on the right, you have libertarians that would rather shoot their own foot off than let the government "get their foot in the door" for that sort of thing.

The 9% income tax he might be able to sell if the numbers come out right since it includes payroll taxes and all of that. The problem is, his entire plan hasn't been remotely vetted as something viable in the slightest, numbers wise. Even with generous calculations not counting "charitable deductions" and other exemptions he wants, it's around $400 billion LESS than we took in before. He tried to do something big but it's like the Jaguar he probably owns. It's flashy, but the more you look at it, the more broken it turns out to be.

So, Jake the Rich, you are part of the 50% of people that aren't paying income taxes? Doesn't that mean you are shiftless and lazy? That's what the party on the right says. Please tell us what chains you own, so we can check them against the slum-lord properties.

On 9-10-01 ( the day before the the 9-11 mass murders) Donald Rumsfield held a press conference in which he announced that 2 TRILLION DOLLARS ( YES, $2,000,000,000,000!!!) had been lost by the military. 2 trillion dollars represents almost a decade's worth of military budget from years previous to 2001. OBVIOUSLY it wasn't budgeted to them from Congress. So we're left with 2 questions here :

1) Just where did the military get that 2 TRILLION DOLLARS to begin with? My educated guess is that it came from dealing drugs with their partners in the CIA from operations like the Iran-Contra cocaine smuggling, extending back to their heroin dealings in the Golden Triangle back during the Vietnam War (through Air America and the shipping of drugs into the US in the excavated torsos of dead soldiers and marines). What? The CIA/ military smuggling/dealing drugs? Preposterous you say! Yet they've been caught doing just that, haven't they? Check out CIADRUGS.com and open your eyes. Then consider the fact that we now control Afghanistan where a huge portion of today's heroin originates. Nothing going on there, huh.

2) Where did all of that unbudgeted money disappear to? Since the 9-11 mass murders occurred the next day this issue was dropped from public discussion in the press The explanation eventually given was pure fluff as there was NO legitimate investigation into where the 2 TRILLION DOLLARS came from or went to. To this day there hasn't been a legitimate detailed investigation of all of that money. Now here we are in 2011 at each other's throats trying to keep our government afloat and our economy still moving, trying to balance everything by flaying the middle class and stripping funds from those who cannot defend or speak out themselves (the elderly and children), and treating those people who insist on the government fulfilling THEIR end of military enlistment contracts as leeches if they use/need to use VA hospital services or get disability compensation from the VA. It is much easier and more fun to point a finger at your neighbors and family rather than try to recoup all of that 2 TRILLION DOLLARS from those who took it, isn't it? I've seen all of 3 other people refer to this disappeared 2 TRILLION DOLLARS here on NV in the past 3 years, everyone else being stuck in the pettiness of the finger pointing arguments instead of insisting that the government take decisive action in regaining the $2,000,000,000,000 that went PFFFFT! That 2 TRILLION DOLLARS would go a long way into helping us out of this hole that the YOUR corrupt party politicians have allowed us to fall into since you keep on giving the guilty the keys to the Treasury with your wasted votes. Smarten up and vote for 3rd parties in the coming elections or resign yourselves to more of the same- the fault being your own.

Cain made his money the same way McDonald does, loop holes in the process. Ever wonder why, McDonalds is always looking for employees, They don't let the majority of their employees get ninety days on the job. No State unemployee benefits to be paid, such as unemployment taxes, no fringe benefits to be paid, no vacation days, no medical leave. McDonalds may start you off with a full week of work but by the time you get a month in that is cut back to three days, after two months on the job they only need you one day a week. Most people just quit, no unemployment benefits payable because they didn't lay you off just reduced your days of work, in the meantime they have hired three new employees to begin the process all over again. Its not hard to become a millionaire using that formula. Avoid paying unemployment taxes, no fringe benefits, no paid days off and an unending supply of workers.

Mike: America is indeed "stuck on stupid." Supposedly elected The Bush twice?

At least the Court of the Supreme Beings said so.

...And one of the 1st things the GOP wanted to cut is education! The rich have mounted an attack on us for what? 30 years are more. So in reality they started this class warfare. The big question is will we allow them to win it?

Mike....how much more shall we pour into education to get results?? We've poured billions into this black hole referred to as the public education system with very little to show for it. Same with the welfare system. Why is throwing money we dont have at the problem the solution to you liberals?? Can we at least attempt to account for where the money we are already spending is being wasted before we give out more??

Mike. "Will we allow them to win?"

Citizens United has changed the rules, the playing field, and what is deemed truth.

Class warfare? In 1980 CEO to worker pay disparity. 25-40 to 1. In 2010 the disparity is 400-5000 to 1, depending on field. SSE and republicans are the class warriors. Unfortunately, too many Americans accept it. Or, acquiesce their defeat.

GOP is for education - don't confuse party bs political rhetoric with policy. A solid economy is built on excellent education. The question for the GOP is how money is being spent for that education that keeps producing sorry results in many areas. Seems like a legit question to me.

I would rather spend $$ on education than war... if you teach men how to fish and hunt for his food for to build a safe place to dwell ... he wont have to take it.

btw what comes of those wars???? prosperity...!

The GONTP is for just enough education that you can repeat whatever you are told. That's what NCLB teaches. If they can spit out the answers to the standardized test, they don't need to think critically; they pass!

Of course, the last thing the GONTP wants is a populace that thinks critically. Once a person starts wondering if the 1 in 100 or so chance that they will actually make enough money to get their kids through school is a good thing to vote for, the conservatives are screwed. Let alone the 1 in 1000+ odds that they will really make the American Dream come true for themselves.

No, the GOP want people educated enough to work at walmart, coalmines, oilwells, McDonalds, their favorite restaurants. They don't need to be smart enough to clean their houses or drive their cars, or work their gardens and fields: that's what illegal aliens are for.

In fact, if you critically analyze the GONTP dream, it looks a lot like China. Lots and lots of peasants working for nothing, with really rich, really corrupt business owners in the big cities, and some token "middle class," probably related to the business guys. Not exactly my dream for America in the future.

Our battle is an inflated republican GOP which is no more than a hand full of psychopathic HILTERS.Herman Cain,been a businessman smell's money,and like every other politician merely making his move to capture some of the money.......Career politician I'ed say........

Racist, bigoted and reported.

@Flyover: Cain said he was like black walnut ice cream. He said to pull your self up by bootstaps. He said he was NOT brainwashed.

He is GOP. He did work at the Federal Reserve.

You reported me for what? You can't handle the truth? Or, you just weak and uniformed? Which is it?

The GONTP are very sensitive about the whole racism thing, and will take any opportunity to try to make it look like they are not the only ones.

I found it really funny, actually, to learn why Perry got so beat up over his 'heartless' comment. Apparently, according to a GONTP source, 'heartless' is republican code for 'racist.' Who'd'a'thunk. Well, it just so happens that I know where the racists came from in the republican party. George H.W. Bush invited them over from the Democratic party in the '50s, much to the relief of the Democrats. They didn't know what to do with them. If you get to watch the American Experience biography of H.W., I recommend it. It shows how a Massachusetts guy comes in, fools all the Texans into thinking he's one of them, and makes a good deal of money in oil. Very informative historical document.

In order to pull yourself up by the bootstraps you have to have a pair of boots, I have lived 77 years in America and I can't remember meeting ten men who didn't want to work for a living, most of them didn't dream of being a millionaire they just wanted a job. How can it be moral for any man to make a thousand times more than he can spend in a lifetime on his family when a thousand men can't find a job. Until America learns to deal with this lop sided philosophy we will always be in the morass we are in. I believe that any man should benefit to the full extent of his work and or ideas, but a point is reached where too much becomes morally reprehensible. The Astors, the Vanderbilts, the Rockefellers, the MaCarthurs, the Gates and Buffets all seem to reach a point in their lives where they have an epiphany and want to give much of this wealth back in foundations and other means. This tells me that they have come to a moral decision that so much wealth is immoral. Why not tax it up front and spare these poor men from having to make that decision.

Herman Cain's 999 plan sounds way too much like the "Read My Lips" speech from Bush Sr.

It will never pass.

Better then the jobs bill? In what demented nightmare is that even possible?

Time to play spot the sockpuppet.

Turn the 999 up. It is now 666. Like huh? Maybe he should have picked 888?

what time does the short bus pick you up in the morning? You support people the stole from us ( 2008 financial fiasco), cut taxes for people who do not hire (job creators... lol) and started a war because of WMD (did not pay the bill) and did not finish the war before that. but Black people sit around and feed off of you ... you are sick.. plain and simple!

Mike....read up on some recent history. Most of the WMD evidence was furnished by the Clinton Administration long before Bush set foot in the White House. Recall the Iraq Liberation Act of 1998, signed by Clinton, and pushed by Pelosi, Reid, Kerry, and Kennedy? You know, the act citing the need to remove Saddam from power? Thats YOUR party buddy. Tired of this blame Bush crap. Take some responsibility liberals....for once!

Umm, the GOP didnt steal anything from you - your lawmakers did and the deal got finished by Obama. You need to get a fact checker dude.

Yep and Solyndra scam is on the Democrats too. 500 million of tax payer money stolen and paid out to campaign funders.

and that is why I am ignoring you ....

no need to waste time

nothing to see here.. just moving on... !

AZChzhd - 1998 was pushing more of a NATO/Libya response to a dictator, which actually has the potential to work in the modern age. George W. Bush took the Vietnam response to a dictator, which hasn't worked since WWII. Talking about them as if they're the same thing is more than a little ridiculous.

c5499351 - 500 million of taxpayer money? Look, that was a serious mistake from what I've read so far, but once you turn it into a right/left issue... should we start going into Halliburton again? By 2004, Halliburton couldn't tell us where 1.8 billion dollars were that we gave them. For those math fans out there, that's over three times the amount. In fact, just take an afternoon on a magical journey by typing in "Halliburton taxpayer money" into google. You'll enjoy it, I promise.

So AZChzhd -- you say that the Bush admin depended on 3 year old intelligence to start a war?? --- Wow they are dumber than any of us could imagine....

The republican party used to be the progressives, and the democrats used to be the party of rich, white, racist, plantation owners. Over the years, the worst members of the Democrats were wooed by the Republicans, and the Democrats let them go in favor of the overwhelming popularity of the New Deal. In short, they switched sides. If Lincoln were alive today, the republican (little r) party would probably make him vomit, just before he thanked Booth for shooting him when he did.

I'm not going to argue with either of you on any of those points.

From what I saw and heard, O'Donnell passed on some tough questions from viewers, and Cain deflected, lied, and turned an embarrassing shade of purple during the interview. Aside from showing that he couldn't go toe to toe with a real world leader, he showed that he managed to stay nice and safe during the Civil Rights movement. That's not that far from avoiding the draft by getting into the Texas National Air Guard.

That's not that far from avoiding the draft by getting into the Texas National Air Guard.

and he didn't even show up then.

Tell that to the C. J. Walker, the 1st black millionare in the US. Or the 100,000 other black millionaires in the US. Of course, if you listen to the black leadership, then blacks are incapable of getting ahead in this world and should just get back to the field.

Are you listening to the republican black leadership Steve? I've always heard the progressive black leadership saying, "aspire! You can do better! Get an education!"

I do find it kind of sad that if there are only 100,000 black millionaires in the U.S., that means they represent about less that 1% of the total number overall. Surely there is more room in the millionaire club then 9 out of 1000?

And Dems to some extent? LMFAO!! Okay if that makes you sleep better at night.

from the looks of your genus statement above... I would state that when brain washing was offered you were standing in the front of the line.

congratulations you are also ignored!

Cain said, about the Civil Rights Movement, that his father told him to stay out of it, and he did. Can't say I have much respect for that.

So, bull, you want us to believe this guy?

In 2006, Bob Parks served as the Vice-Chairman of the Massachusetts Republican Assembly, ran for chair of the Massachusetts Republican Party in 2007, Massachusetts state representative in 2008, and since 2003 produced, wrote, and edited the award-winning cable access program Black & Right.

Maybe it's just me, but could he be just a little biased? Fox news commentators often are.

amen

Bull: You repeat, blah, blah, blah. So I repeat:

Cain said, about the Civil Rights Movement, that his father told him to stay out of it, and he did. Can't say I have much respect for that.

So, bull, you want us to believe this guy?

In 2006, Bob Parks served as the Vice-Chairman of the Massachusetts Republican Assembly, ran for chair of the Massachusetts Republican Party in 2007, Massachusetts state representative in 2008, and since 2003 produced, wrote, and edited the award-winning cable access program Black & Right.

Maybe it's just me, but could he be just a little biased? Fox news commentators often are.

Bull. are you deaf. he did not try and tell Cain how to be black. He was questioning his books truth. Cain says he was in high school, while in fact he was in college. His choice to not participate is his business, but dont lie about it. Stand like a man behind your decision. Another thing, if Cain dont realize that the work of these blacks/whites who fought for civil rights made it easier to get whered he is today (why does he thing Georgia State wouldnt take him) he is truly brainwashed.

Indeed, most people hold the political and social opinions they do because of their immediate social circles. They form bubbles and tend to group-think because they gain approval and acceptance. That cuts across party lines, although I still believe that the Right relies more on dogma than the Left.

I think people tend to vote along economical lines. Which quite frankly has me baffled on why the TPers vote TP. Wellll maybe not....they are told they will have jobs if the corporations can get away with polluting, not paying taxes and removing employee benefits. I heard something the other day about how the Bush years traumatized America into believing that we would be bombed any minute. Traumatized and raped our economy.

That's what I see happening now...we are once again being traumatized into believing that the ONLY way we will ever have jobs again is if we succumb. I have also come to believe that small government is just another way of saying dictatorship. Hitler, Stalin and Mussolini all liked small government.

Crackhead Awards

Love the show Lawrence. Great interview.

Made Cain look like he can't do 6th grade math.

Let's compare math skills- Cain has a Bachelor's degree in Mathematics and a Masters in Computer Science

Cain served on the Board of Directors for the Federal Reserve

How about you genius?

Me:

Bachelors of Science, Electrical Engineering

Masters of Science, Information Systems Management (CIO)

You?

Its not about Cain's math skills. He's just using it on moron conservatives who don't have any.

you know what is really funny about this situation? Intelligent people get what republicans are attempting to pull. Yet this article is about the brainwashing of blacks. Here is a man with a EE and a MS in IT. and an idiot questioning his ability to see what is really going on. Now take this scene and multiply it a few million times and I give you the state of the United States today.

Crackhead some people are just

invincibly ignorant !

Cain has a degree in looking out for #1. He got that degree a long time ago, and looks like he forgot everything he learned. His plan is vague, and on its face, completely unworkable. He has no foreign policy experience, and sitting on the Board of the Fed in Kansas City does not make him a finance wiz.

Running a business and running a country are far from the same thing. That is how it should be. Countries are run to benefit all citizens, businesses to profit owners, often at the expense of others, including employees.

Herman Cain is plainly an intelligent and competent individual. I would never vote for him. SInce I did vote for Obama, it's not about race for me, though it would be for others.

The scary thing is the GOP does have a very qualified candidate, and it's not Romney or Perry. Jon Huntsman has everything a presidential candidate should have and then some.

1) Executive govt experience.

2) Foreign policy experience as ambassador to China.

3) Speaks Mandarin fluently

4) Has successful business experience

5) Understands the need for co-operation between parties. He went to China when Obama asked him to do so, in service to his country, at his own political peril.

These are qualifications unmatched by any GOP candidate. This is a man I might actually vote for. The rest are second rate at best.

Larry?

Larry is trying to see if, "head fry cook" counts as a degree.

Seriously, though, these aren't stupid people running here. They are very cleverly trying to make the rich richer, and the poor poorer. They are to be feared and reviled; not taken lightly. Although Cain doesn't really stand a chance, there will be someone that the republicans put up, and they use their money to hire the best ad agencies in the world to win elections. Only an all out effort will defeat the republican machine. They've done and are doing everything possible to tilt voter numbers in their favor, and they will continue to use every dirty trick, lie, rumor, anything to win. Lee Atwater taught them how, and he was the best trickster they've had in the last 30 years.

Every thinking person needs to get out and vote a straight ticket, after we weed out the DINOs during the congressional primaries.

Cain served on the Board of Directors for the Federal Reserve

And how's that working out?

Mare P if I were to ever vote Republican Huntsman would be it. I agree with you 100%. The question is...why isn't he even showing on the polls?

He's not showing because he's reasonable, and sometimes intelligent. Two characteristics that bar him from GOP nomination.

Lol rconstant...silly me.....:)

Mary P you wrote Running a business and running a country are far from the same thing.

I couldn't agree with you more and Obama has done neither!

Cain does not insult my intelligence. Cain is part of the side show designed to distract and divide. He will accomplish neither!

your a tard, how can you make such a profound statement...how about the neighborhood he grew up in! he grew up poor and made his money, what do you think that once someone becomes successful and rich they teleport somewhere else and have a new life and new friends, they stay the same person, just with more money!..why dont you get facts before you make BOLD statements...

just like the facts you stated above... !

lol... !

Yeah, bull, I believe exactly that, and I also believe that people that use terms that belittle the mentally challenged should not be allowed to post in public.

You're probably right about Cain. The man is delusional, but he comes off better than their usual token candidate - Alan Keyes....

If he is such a genus why doesn't his web site have the details of the plan instead of annnouncent of it? Where are the "natioanl leading econmic experts" suppodely that put the plan together? The aren't there iether.When Cris wallace interviewed him on Fox News , Cain could not cite ONE nationally known economist that support s his 9-9-9 plan. Does it measn you'll pay 9% more for prescription drug? Does it mean you'll pay (% more forfood? Does it mean thelocal goverments will pay9% more forwhat they buy? Does it apply to barbershop hair cutas?

Itr's relly not a (% plan..it's an 18% plan because you stillhave pay income taxes. Andi f you lose the home mortage deduction yor taxes go up there too..But let's mocve on here How much does the plan raise?

No details so far.

Cain has also said that he will elinimate the social security payroll tax. My question is then what's going to fund social security? Is Cain going to dedicate the Sales Tax revenue to that? Is he gonna put a lockbox on it so Congress can't use it for other things?

Cain doesn't say.

And for a guy who served on the Federal Reserve-where was he when the finainical melt down was occuring? Doesn't her bear reponsibility for that too? Where was he when the banks were commiting mortgage fraud and robo signing? A new Report shows that this was known in 2003. Why didn't Cain raise thealram and sayitwas worng?

If Cain has brains we don't see them.

Arlin....google Augusto Penochet to see what Cain wants to do to social security.

i did notice the SS idea along with his Chilean plan was not mentioned guess we already know thats nothing more then a give away to wall street. or in the correct words

Private Accounts.

Hmmmmm maybe he knows some of us actually googled the Chilean plan and found out what it was. Hell, maybe HE finally googled it and found out what it actually is.

Why are you liberals mad at Wall Street? Isnt your leftist hero George Soros a Wall Street speculator? Isnt he part of the problem? Isnt that how he made his millions?? I dont see any of this on MSNBC.

maybe it's because the story wasn't true-it's been debunked

Soros? Is that all you have to parrot?

pathetic.

zhovti...feeling is mutual regarding the left and its infatuation with Fox and the Koch Bros.

Infatuation deserves the likes of Sofia Vergara, but you can orient yourself however you want and we will support your right to do so with all of our might.

You seem to have Soros on the brain. Is there any other independent thought in there? Fox, on the other hand, is a proven propaganda opinion outfit. The Koch Brothers, by strongly supporting all causes Libertarian and the dismantling of our education system and the department of agriculture are a menace to the health and education of our country. Soros is just a bogey man that the right brings up when it has nothing better to try to scare people with. He's actually a savvy businessman who has put his money to very good work, donating to a number of charities. I know giving money away to the less fortunate is against everything republican, but the only thing you have against him is his donations against Bush's second term. I don't know a democrat that wouldn't have made the same donations if they had the money, so you'll have to do better then that.

Hey Lawrence. Do your viewers know what YOU did during Vietnam? Oh, let's see, your draft number was called up in 1970, but oh that's right, you deferred to go to college. Hey, guess what else? Your buddy Biden deferred SIX times and where was old Billy? He deferred, too, of course. You liberals are idiots and the spread of your ignorance will be the downfall of this great nation. You should all move to Denmark. You're too stupid and weak to be Americans.

Mike-

you mean you are the typical liberal that hates facts and prefers the lies and spin of your marxist masters?

Larry,

why the name calling? Why the assertions that sound good, but do not add up? What is wrong with people "keeping" their money is taxes pay for government provided services that business/private sector would exploit. If utilities had the consequences of the housing market, people would be without heat and lighting. Many other examples exist as to why the private sector should not be trusted with life essentials .

'I'm not a member of any organized political party. I'm a democrat."

- Will Rogers.

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Mike-

you mean you are the typical liberal that hates facts and prefers the lies and spin of your marxist masters?

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#31.1 - Thu Oct 6, 2011 11:45 PM EDT

Not at all... hate is a practice that renders nothing but self defeat and self destruction. as far as Marxism ... crap rolls down both sides of a mountain! If you see it coming its best to step out of its path!

Letting everyone in the US keep every dollar they earn is fine if you think it is OK to close every federal prison, stop maintaining roads, end the war on drugs, and eliminate the DEA, BATF, DOHS, DoD, and border patrol.

Is that really what you have in mind?

we need very few federal prisons and we had them before the income tax

maintaining roads- I thought that was what our Federal Fuel taxes were supposed take care of

Yes, end the war on drugs-there's no constitutional authority for it-

End DEA and BATF

DOHS and DOD and border patrol- again we had national defense before the income tax.

FAIR Tax- National Sales tax is right way to go.

That told me all I needed to know about Cain. His daddy said to ignore everything going on with the civil rights era. Just stay out of it, he said.

I think that will separate a lot of African Americans from his side,

Sure Cain, just let everyone else fight for your freedom and then say if you don't have a job, it's your fault.

He would have stayed in the back of the bus forever. He reluctantly said that it was a good thing what Rosa Parks did. Gee thanks, Cain.

If Cain had not wanted to be 'questioned' by the left he wouldn't have been there. If you want to see him petted, watch him on fox.