As Lawrence casually mentioned in a tweet earlier, he's going to be talking about a "lotta gay sex" in tonight's show. (How's that for a tease?) The story actually involves presidential hopeful Michele Bachmann and the therapy clinic she co-owns with her husband.
NBC's Michael Isikoff reported that undercover video taken from the Bachmanns' Christian counseling center reveals staffers are using prayer and Bible scriptures to help cure people of homosexuality.
At 8pm ET, Lawrence gets details from Wayne Bessen, founder and executive director of Truth Wins Out, a gay rights group behind the undercover video.
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Bachman and her Radical, Racist, Right-Wing, Religious Fanatic, Social Engineering clan use God as a weapon and Jesus as a mascot . . .
Do you think they will come up with a prayer to ask for forgiveness for totally twisting the love of God and Jesus as hatred for homosexuals ?
Do you think the will come up with a prayer to ask for forgiveness for saying they love America while they actually hate Americans ?
they think god hates gays, too, just like they do.
If you are going to talk about God, then you better read his Word, i.e. The Bible. God states exactly what he feels about homosexuality. He groups it with bestiality, pedophilia, adultery, sodomy, etc. He detests homosexuality and calls it "AN ABOMINATION" several times in His Word.
So, Yes, Got does hate the act, not the person.
i have read His Word, since i was a young child.
let me point out a few things, if you are interested.
during the "biblical period", when these words would have been written, there was no such thing as homosexuality", neither in the Hebrew era, nor in the New Testament era. homosexuality did not exist as a term or as a person.
at the time the bible was written (both hebrew and new testament) homosexual acts were just variations of "having sex". during the greek era when the new testament was written, homosexuality between an older man and a younger man was seen as a very common form of mentoring.
i do not understand everything perfectly either, but i do know that what looks to us like blatant hatred for homosexuality, the biblical theology has nothing to do with homosexuality per say. you mention sodomy because of the story of sodom and gomorrah. if you want to take that story at face value without any thought involved, or of not knowing biblical history, it is easy to make that simple assumption.
to get this straight, marriage in biblical times was usually polygamy. women had the status of cattle and were bought with gold, and were simply there to have children for the men. there might have been a component of sexual attraction, but the women were there to have children with their husband's name.
leviticus 19:22; god says to moses, "you shall not lie with a male as with a woman, it is an abomination". in leviticus you will find 600 other strictures as well including do not eat shellfish; do not spit on the floor; prohibitions about women having their periods. these strictures would certainly be of interest to an anthropologist, but these things are not anything we would live our lives by today. these things are the wisdoms of a rabbi; the ban against eating shellfish is of equal value as the ban against homosexual acts.
i simply do not believe that god detests homosexuality.
to my knowledge jesus does not say anything about homosexuality. he does say alot about not judging others, and loving your neighbor.
you don't have to agree with everything your neighbor does, but it isn't up to you to say that god hates the act of homosexuality. you might be taking the bible at face value, without learning the history surrounding the writings of the bible.
your comment above is a judgement whether or not you want to admit it.
are you really being biblical? gays and lesbians have been forced to start their own churches. is that being welcoming to everyone?
god has more to worry about than the act of homosexuality, he's probably more worried about the debt ceiling.
You need to actually read the book you are hitting others over the head with. "He" does not group "it" with those things. But lets take the one accurate word you quoted "an abomination"...a word used in Leviticus about "man lying with man" . You are right. That exact word is used again in a previous chapter of Leviticus...the exact word.... to describe.... THE EATING OF SHELL FISH. Strangely, I have never heard a single Leviticus quoter as riled about eating Lobsters, Crabs and Shrimp as they are about gay marriage. Wonder why.
By the way. Jesus only lost his temper at one kind of people: hypocrits. You've been warned.
how am I being a hypocrit?
you are the hypocrit, just as bachmann and palin, and all other republicans who want to take civil rights from certain groups of people from whom they feel the need to, and like to judge.
i am not hitting anyone over the head with the bible. i am simply relating facts as i have understood them to be based on studies i have done.
i do not simply read a parable and take it at face value. there is a deeper meaning behind the parable or story.
and yes, when god speaks to moses he groups homosexuality with eating shellfish, spitting on the floor, all are strictures in the book of leviticus, including "you should never see your sister naked".
the reason that "leviticus quoters" are "riled" about homosexuality is because they are making a judgement about it, and jesus clearly says, "do not judge".
the "leviticus quoters" are "riled" only about the homosexuality part, because it serves their purpose, because they can push it as "sin". they can use it to exclude and condemn others whose lifestyle they do not like or understand. not that we need to accept or understand everything our neighbor does, but we should not use a few words out of the bible to minimalize them so that we feel justified in judging them.
again, i ask you, how am i a hypocrit? i am not the one judging, and i love my neighbor.
Using God as a weapon against people you don't like, agree with or fear . . .
and Jesus as a mascot in politics to prove you are holy . . .
and quoting a book that was written 150 year AFTER Jesus lived . . .
does NOT make you a spiritual . . . or a good . . . person . . .
And this country has no need for a Iatola! I don't even no how to spell it, so we don't need one.
Someone needs to coach Lawrence O'Donnell on how to read! He is constantly miss reading his script.
Marcus is soooo gay
Does the phrase " closet rump ranger " come to mind ?
I thought the same thing when I saw him. Maybe the "clinic" is really for his benefit.
Just watched Mr. Bachman's statement about gays...MY GAYDAR WENT OFF BIG TIME!! Someone should follow that guy around and catch him in the stall!!
I saw what Marcus Bachmann said on the show tonight (12th) and am in complete agreement. He is a good Christian man and what he is saying is exactly true. I wouldn't go so far as to call homosexuals "barbarians," but I understand what he was saying. That therapist is a good therapist to talk about God to his patients (even if they are idiots to try to videotape a private conversation during a therapy session). God has stated that "to lie with a man as you would a woman is AN ABOMINATION!!" I am shocked that the democrats are so fine with a social environmental sickness that needs to not be encouraged. Homosexuality is a very sick way of life psychologically, as well as physically, i.e. AIDS, STDs, etc.
I'm really surprised at the acceptance of this way of life and the way liberals make fun of anyone who believes the Word of God and tries to live their life by it. Liberals are more accepting of social perversions than a moral way of life. I think it is sad.
If you beleive that GOD states that it is an ABOMINATION for men to lie with men, then you must also believe that GOD states that the eating of lobsters, crabs and shrimp is also AN ABOMINATION, since "He" uses the exact same word for both in the same Bible book. I am really surprised that all good literalists as yourself are not picketing seafood restaurants around the nation instead of beating up on gay people. The latter is a violation of Jesus's second commandment of loving your neighbor as yourself, where the picketing of restaurants, I believe, would be fine. Get your priorities in order.
There have been 3 scientific studies done on the brais of cadacours. Know homosexuals had a differant growth pattern in one part of thier brain than did hetrosexuals. They were done over 20 yrs ago.
Yes, and if you split the word therapist in one spot it also reads The Rapist, as far as I'm concerned they should eradicate every so called religion in the world.
When the State of Minnesota goes back to work in a few months or so, the Attorney General Lori Swanson needs to investigate this closet homo Martha or Marcus or Mystique for Medicaid fraud.
Did Lawrence just call Marcus Bachmann gay?
This country if facing an impending financially crisis and a good portion of you show is focusing on the therapeutic philosophies of a clinic Bachman and her husband own, your are truly pathetic.
It would be possible that the woman that owns half and believe in the theropy, to be President. We should know. It's much more important than demanding a birth cirtificate, when it had been produced when he filed for the Presidentcy.
This country if facing an impending financially crisis and a good portion of you show is focusing on the therapeutic philosophies of a clinic Bachman and her husband own, your are truly pathetic.
Using John Becker as your mole was a bit unfair. He would rate at least a 12 out of 10 in temptation. However his counselor did nothing in the least improper sexually. The counselor, even if he were gay, would have no risk of being seduced. He would have a heck of a time getting a gay date. I wonder how Mr. Bachmann himself would have behaved on encountering the stunning Mr. Becker. Bachmann's accent gives away that he hung out in the 60s with screaming queens. That does not jibe with his current story. I would also like to know why there was such a high turnover of foster children in the Bachmann household. Michelle Bachmann is a deeply evil person. It stands to reason there are some corpses rotting in her personal closet.
This show really grieved me tonight. Comments were made that this is something that cannot be healed by prayer, derogatory comments were made about Christians who had failed, as if a couple of examples meant it was true for all.I do know of someone who was set free of homosexuality through prayer, and is now helping others. I could not believe how vicious they were toward Christians in this show. So, how long before they start advocating throwing Christians to the lions again? It would not surprise me in the least. No matter how much delusion they speak with their mouths, one fact remains true. The Bible says that one day, every knee shall bow and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord. That is one day they will not be spreading delusion.
I do know of someone who was set free from homosexuality through prayer and repentance. This young lady is now helping others. There is hope. I could not believe how vicious and derogatory they were on this show tonight. Christians are the only group that it is politically correct in the media to show prejudice against or slander. Nero did the same thing. I won't be surprised when they start calling for us to be thrown to the lions again. Christians are the only group who are not allowed to have and opinion.
"christians are the only group who are not allowed to have an opinion"?
"christians" have opinions all day long on everything because they feel they have the word of god to back them up. it may be possible for some who are gay to change their lifestyle IF the desire is strong enough. some of this may be based on the guilt they feel, knowing the embarassment and shame they may have caused their families, and not wanting to feel responsible for that. some may feel the need to change to fit into a more acceptable lifestyle, and some gays may truly feel that the way they were born, and the resulting feelings and lifestyle is sinful, and they fear the repercussions of that (hellfire).
michelle bachmann, sean hannity, glenn beck, sarah palin, the republican party as a whole profess to be christian. yet they are very busy trying to keep gays and lesbians as second class citizens. when people who profess to be christian say the mean and horrible things that they say against gays and lesbians using the bible to back up their hateful rhetoric, i have no sympathy for these kind of christians.
what we do know is that when a person is born gay, if the desire to change, FOR WHATEVER REASON, is strong enough that person can make changes in his or her life. BUT THE DESIRE FOR THE SAME SEX NEVER GOES AWAY. it is an inborn attraction, it is biological, it is what is normal for a gay or lesbian.
i wish that christians would be accepting of gays and lesbians AS THEY ARE, and not tell them that they aren't good enough the way they are, and that they need god's forgiveness, and that they need to change to be worthy of his love, and of anyone's love.
christians need to pray for tolerance and acceptance when it comes to gays and lesbians and hope that god will show them (the christians) mercy.
Dr. bachmann just gave all married men a HALL PASS to look at other woman.
He claims that a man is designed to look at womans breast.
So if your wife complains just tell her YOU ARE DOING THE LORDS WORK.
As a follow-up to Rob and Suzette, first let me say "Thanks". As a pastor who does a lot of teaching on biblical issues, including "same-sex" matters, I can tell you that there is more--much more--than a strong case to be made that one can be Christian and gay at the same time. One problem those in our Christian "gay-welcoming-and-affirming" camp have is that our position doesn't fit easily on a blog post, while the "anti" crowd's does all too easily. Suffice it to say that to "tie one's theological can" to Leviticus' dire denunciations of all same-sex activity would mean that one would also have to condone slavery, the subjugation of women, and the stoning of remarried divorcees, who are, as Jesus so clearly taught, adulterers. But here again, this isn't a good place to explain why that is.
Just read on Towleroad that Michele Bachmann called gay people "part of Satan".