True, so true.

Is Lawrence still in a coma form the Condeleeza Rice beat-down? Not only was he wrong on most things, he added rudeness to the mix. I could be wrong, but Secretary Rice may have a better grasp of the facts, seeing as she was there for all of it.

Point you're missing is that they were there for all of it, and were told-repeatedly-- told by all kinds of people. The CIA was begging them to listen to the evidence that the aluminum tubes were too thin, too long and most certainly not going to be ever used in a nuclear setting. As a former federal government products librarian and familiar with thousands of Standards and Engineering formulae this argument is ludicrous. There are ASTM Standards, Patents and Trademarks--thickness, tenacity and alloys of aluminum, steel, plastic, fiberglass, you name it down to the micromillimeters. Anyone who was anywhere close to looking at those tubes would know that they were for what--machinery, HVAC--things of that order. But, when this kind of commentary was "handed upstairs" it was either ignored, willfully ignored, or blatently lied about.

That is just one small example of information behavior that in any Small context would be horrifically idiotic. And many of us as private citizens who've been frustrated for years, have at each juncture been asking each other WTF? I physically protested going into Iraq war at the Capitol Steps in Denver, Colorado.

That is just criminally incompetent and devious. Either they were completely incompetent and stupid that they didn't know what they were looking at.

Or, and this is the more likely outcome. Some of them were more or less stupid and incompetent. Some of them were devious, coniving, greedy SOBs who were smart and knew exactly what they were approving and what the probably outcomes would be--the financial pillaging and the divisive wars.

You can't keep yelling about "not knowing then what we know now"--the real question is: what did you know and when, and why were you so stupid to not find Osama Bin Ladin?

Answer: They did know. And if they didn't, they knew enough to say, "no, no, don't tell us that!" La la la la I can't hear you.

History is already unfolding and proving this. Your argument is already falling apart. Join the reality movement--reality is actually very cool.

LL, i have noticed that after they decided to go after saddam hussein, bin laden was rarely mentioned. i don't understand how condalezza and others can talk about iraq and not bring bin laden into the discussion. i'm always waiting for them to make the link, but they can't. i suppose that is why they won't talk about bin laden.

Rice doesn't know her facts Canadians were not in the Coalition that invaded

Iraq. Canadians were only part of the Coalition that is in Afganistan, at the

onset and as of today. Rice not only drinks the Kool Aid she takes it by IV.

WOW...talk about getting your azz handed to you....the pompous Lawrence got taken to school by Condi!!!

The beatdown Lawrence took would easily qualify for a top spot in the next hoodfights video. I guess the liberal spin machine crashed and burned when Condi stated the FACTS of what actually happened.

I guess this little showering of obama supplied "idiot logic" that Lawrence gave us will NOT be in the next "Dreams from my deadbeat alcoholic father that I saw once in my life" follow-up novel by the obama staff.

Applause! Applause!Such arrogance from Mr. Know It All.

> Condoleezza Rice, like all other authoritarian personality types, hates
> to be challenged

No... actually, she doesn't like to be cut off, ignored, and bulldozed by an irresponsible interviewer. Larry is being irresponsible in this interview by making false statements (which even I recognized to be false), ignoring Rice's statements on it (even to go so far as to call her a liar), and interrupts her constantly.

How is this respectful? How is it journalism? It isn't. Is it sensational? Is provoking? It sure is, but how useful is it? Larry want Rice to validate his OWN theories, truth be damned. We're a smart audience, Larry. We can make our own decisions on whether Rice is being truthful or not. We don't need you to step in and defend our gullibility, like some kind of school yard bully.

Rice's explanation of why the US went after Hussein finally made sense: we ignored Bin Laden and look what happened. We don't know where Bin Laden is, but Saddam has been identified as an equal threat and we know where he is. We can't afford to ignore Saddam they was we ignored Bin Laden.

Did they package that idea correctly? No. Do I agree with it? Not necessarily. But at least now, I can understand their viewpoint on it.

Larry: Stop being Bill O'Reilly. Ask your questions, direct the conversation, but don't stoop to being a bully in the interviews. Don't ask the question with only one answer in mind, cutting the person off and trying to corral them into the answer you want. It insults the person being interviewed, it insults our intelligence, and it's beneath you.

Be better Larry, and we'll be right there with you.

Contradict her lies and her place in history. How many times did she interrupt Lawrence? Last week O'Donnell threw a lying rabid crazy ass birther off his show the same standards should have applied to the war criminal Rice. Why does our MSM recycle these Iraq war thugs? They are responsible for hundreds of thousands of deaths. Martin Basher had Feith on the other night. Chris Matthews and Lawrence O'Donnell had had David "axis of evil" Frum on numerous times. He was a very effective Iraq war pusher. Wolfowitz has been making the rounds on many Sunday news programs. Rumsfeld too. And now Condi "mushroom cloud" Rice.

The Obama administration and many others demanded and followed through for justice and accountability for OBL's crimes against humanity. The same standards should apply to the crimes against humanity that the Bush Iraq war team have committed. Again no need to send out international navy seals....investigations (Phase I and Phase II of the SSCI into pre war intelligence was completed) it is way overdue for pre war intelligence hearings and trials. Trials will suffice

And why so much focus on Pakistan "sheltering" OBL. Obama, our congress, justice system, MSM "sheltering" the Bush war criminals. Not only "sheltering" them subjecting us to their dangerous and twisted hogwash

Liberal Librarian. Backing you up

Lawrence I am offended by the persistent recycling of these Bush administration war criminals on our MSM. Just a week before you had thrown a rabid birther liar off your program because she continued to lie, spin and would not answer his questions. The same rules should have applied to Rice who is far more offensive and complicit in the deaths of hundreds of thousands of innocent people.. Anyway the bases of the interview was "what we know now" instead of "what we knew then" (before the invasion) Lawrence allowed the myth that congress, the public did not have reason to seriously suspect the Bush administrations intelligence. In 2002 I was still a soccer mom in southeastern Ohio but I listened intently to the news. That fall of 2002 Senator Durbin (on the intelligence committee) and 21 other Senators including Republican Senator Lincoln Chaffee voted against the 2002 iiraq war resolution. Most of the Dems voted against that resolution in the house. Just a bit of a clue that they had little to no confidence in the validity of the Office of Special Plans "stovepiped" intelligence. All a soccer mom had to do at that point to access information and experts questioning the WMD intelligence was to turn on NPR's Diane Rehm show and The Talk of the Nation along with listening to Democracy now and going on the web. I heard former IAEA weapons inspector Scott Ritter who was in Iraq most of the 90's inspecting question the validity of the intelligence. I heard former CIA middle east analyst Ray McGovern, Former President Jimmy Carter, General Zinni, Scowcroft and many many more CIA analyst, historians, experts questioning Feith, Wolfowitz's intelligence. Former middle east CIA analyst in the Bush administration Flynt Leverett (you should have him on your program) quit the Bush administration because of the unnecessary invasion before the invasion. In early March of 2003 the head of the IAEA El baradei came out and said that the Niger Documents were forgeries and bad ones at that. I of course thought the push to invade Iraq would come to a screeching halt. Foolish to think that facts would apply
In the fall of 2002 and early winter of 2003 hundreds of thousands (millions across the nation) of Americans petitioned, marched, lobbied in the halls of congress against the invasion of Iraq the MSM basically ignored us. Many of us were protesting based on the questions around the intelligence. The crowds in the fall of 2002 in DC (right in NPR's and MSNBC''s back yard) were made up of WWII, Korean,Vietnam, Desert Storm Vets as well as families pushing children in strollers and seniors in wheel chairs, truckers, students, nurses, doctors, plumbers etc. A real representation of how diverse our country is. When I would turn on the national news they would show the same damn clip of the 20 individuals at the march with hoods over their heads. No interviews with the Vets who were marching, the mothers, etc.
In Feb of 2003 the crowd in New York City marching against the invasion was made up of even more. At least 300,000. Again a diverse crowd. At the head of that march the 9/11 families for peaceful tomorrows and Vets lead the huge crowd. Dear friends Bev and John Titus who lost their daughter Alysia who was an airline stewardess on one of the United Flights slammed into one of the Twin Towers. I had the honor to push a 92 year old WWII vet who was there in his wheel chair rolling against the unnecessary and brutal invasion of Iraq. Again the MSM did not show the rest of the American public sitting at home in front of their screens or the rest of the world who was really there. 30 million people around the world marched against the invasion...before the invasion.
O'Donnell allowed Rice to insult the American publics intelligence once again. She spun, lied and endlessly interrupted him during last nights interview. Some simple questions a soccer mom would have asked her based on what I knew from listening to the Rehm show, Talk of the Nation, Democracy Now and reading on the web. (Jason Vest of the nation "The Men from Jinsa and the CSP" fall of 2002 and many other articles.
Now millions of us are sorry the MSM barely covered these protest but there are no way to get around the facts on the ground.
1. Former counterterroism expert Richard Clarke has stated that both you and Steven Hadley ignored his warning about potential terrorist attacks by Al Queda during the Clinton Bush transition. Would you please respond
2. In Ron Susskinds book "The Price of Loyalty" former Secretary of the Treasury in 43's first administration stated that at the very first cabinet meetings in 2001 Wolfowitz, Cheney and Rumsfeld were all ready discussing ways to go after Iraq militarily. Can you please tell us what you were hearing in those early cabinet meetings in early 2001 about targeting Iraq.
3. In early March of 2003 the head of the IAEA El Baradei came out and told the world that the Niger Documents were forgeries and bad ones at that. Why did the Bush administration keep steam rolling towards the invasion after this was announced. And why has no one been held accountable for the false Niger Documents?
4. The Bush administration demanded that IAEA weapons inspectors in Iraq be taken out of Iraq in early 20003. Why did the Bush administration stop inspections?
5. Why is it that you know how many Iraqi people were allegedly killed by Saddam and you can not report to the world how many Iraqi people have been killed, injured and displaced as a direct consequence of the invasion?
Now these are some simple questions from a concerned soccer mom who could have asked the Bush administration these questions based on what I knew in the fall of 2002 and in early 2003.
O"Donnell pushing the myth that "what we know now" makes the situation look very different. Lawrence what many of us "knew then" before the invasion should have been enough to stop that invasion based on a "pack of lies"
Sir the least you could have done is throw that liar and war criminal off your program the way you did that crazy assed birther lady.
And the very least you can do for American soldiers who have been injured and killed as well as the hundreds of thousands of Iraqi people injured and killed (Lancet report in 2006, recently released Pentagon report) is to push our congress our so called justice system, the MSm to hold those responsible for creating, cherry picking and disseminating false pre war intelligence which has resulted in the deaths of hundreds of thousands of innocent people accountable. The same justice and accountability standards applied to Osama Bin Laden for killing innocent people should be applied to the Bush administration war criminals. Hearings and trials would suffice.

kathleen and liberal librarian,

thank you for your informative posts. i don't know how the right can ignore this information, and like condaleeza rice, out and out lie about what really happened.

The "beat down" LoveUSA is alluding to is nothing more than Rice getting to talk over O'Donnell's questions while she indignantly insists he shuts up while she spews her talking points. This is how Republicans in power maintain their dialog without addressing the facts. Indignant yet cowardly.

LoveUSA judges this war of words by her demeanor, because she showed far less respect for O'Donnell and his questions than she demanded of him. This is what liars have to do if facts can't save their arguments. Rice was a tool, used by big oil where she came from, to help get the Iraq Oil Production Sharing Agreement into the Iraqi Parliament so US oil companies could take a far greater percentage of Iraqi oil profits.

"What we knew then" The "what we know now" is a distraction and a myth.

Guest that I would invite on your show who were out questioning and writing about the false pre war intelligence in late 2002 and early 2003. many of us were out protesting, petioning and lobbying our Reps before the invasion based on what many of these folks were saying

1. Former IAEA Weapons inspector Scott Ritter

2. General Zinni

3. Scowcroft

4, Dr. Bryzinski (sp)

5. Counterterrorism expert Richard Clarke

6. Former Head of the IAEA El Baradei

7. Former Secretary of the Treasury Paul O'Neil

8. Ron Susskind

9. Former Bush administration official and former CIA analyst Flynt Leverett (at Race for Iran, and the New America Foundation)

10. Former President Jimmy Carter

11. Senators and Congresspeople who voted against the Iraq war resolution in 2002 especially Senator Durbin and former Senator Lincoln Chaffee

12. Clair Short and I believe there were several other British officials who quit their spots before the invasion.

13. Valerie Plame and Joe Wilson

14. Jason Vest of the nation who wrote "Men from Jinsa and CSP" in 2002 about the questionable intelligence. Justin Raimando of antiwar.com who was endlessly writing about the reasons to suspect the intelligence before the invasion

15. Lt Col Karen Kwiatowski "The New Pentagon Papers" after the invasion.

16. Seymour Hersh who wrote extensively about the false intelligence after the invasion.

Again there were plenty questioning before the invasion

start with some of these people. flip the script and focus on what we knew then and please stop perpetrating that we only know now about the false intelligence

Oops Hans Blix...questioned the validity of the intelligence before the invasion.

The National Intelligence Estimate.

There was a large group of military mucky mucks who sent Bush and team a letter against the invasion. Looking for it

The arrogance of Ms. Rice surprised me. But the class shown by Lawrence was impressive. It was easy to see that the point was made without his having to say much - she's unfit for the positions she held. Period. She was far more revealing in this interview than I've ever seen her. At the time of the tragedy almost ten years ago, she was kept on a short tether, and small bites of her comments were flashed in the news. Nice going, Lawrence...she didn't stand up under this prolonged freedom to speak publicly. Hmmmm...anything like Palin?

Dr. Rice proved Saddam posed a dire threat to America justifying going to war with him by presenting the following evidence:

her current student, an ex-U.S. fighter pilot, told her that he was "shot at" while enforcing the "no fly zone" over Iraq!

She was the National Security Adviser for the United States of America? She portrayed this "threat posed by Saddam" as the same threat posed by Bin Laden to citizens of New York City! Is she for real? Or was she just pimping her student like a two bit demagogue and the "scoundrel whose last refuge is the flag." Is she that cynical?

Please Dr. Rice, ask "your student" the following question since you had no problem putting him front and center like that on national T.V. Ask him how it feels that 6000 of his fellow service members were sent to their deaths and many more thousands wounded because he was allegedly "shot at" by Saddam's virtually non-existent anti-aircraft capabilities (They'd already been destroyed), and provided the primary proof that Saddam posed a "dire" threat to our country, which necessitated your supporting going to war with him.

Ask him if that keeps him up at night, or is he as much an unreflective, narcissist without a conscience as your answers suggest you are, and thinks the lives of 6000 of his fellow service members was worth it. Who knows. Maybe that's exactly why he chose to be "your student."

Condoleezza Rice is full of it. Paul O'Neil was a cabinet member and he has testified and presented memos stating that Bush was focused on finding a reason to invade Iraq months before 911.

“From the very beginning, there was a conviction, that Saddam Hussein was a bad person and that he needed to go,” says O’Neill, who adds that going after Saddam was topic "A" 10 days after the inauguration - eight months before Sept. 11.

“From the very first instance, it was about Iraq. It was about what we can do to change this regime. Day one, these things were laid and sealed.”

O'Neil also presented memos and documents.

He obtained one Pentagon document, dated March 5, 2001, and entitled "Foreign Suitors for Iraqi Oilfield contracts," which includes a map of potential areas for exploration.

“It talks about contractors around the world from, you know, 30-40 countries. And which ones have what intentions, On oil in Iraq.”

After 911, Iraq shouldn't have been a thought. Bush promised to bring Bin Laden to justice. This was a promise to the American people. In the video he said he wasn't even concerned about Bin Laden. What crap. Iraq's military was destroyed in the first gulf war. Rice is full of it.

Rice did all she could to protect the Shrub, during the administration through this interview. She is condescending, reactionary and has a burr up her behind because she is at fault for the deaths in Iraq as well as the disregarding of the memo "Bin Laden Determined to Attack" that she blithely ignored.

Many people had thoughts of an illicit romance between the Shrub and Rice, and she sure acts like a woman protecting her own. I've always disliked her attitude and method of address, and she was the same in this interview. There were more and better people to cover, and O'Donnell's time was ill-used with this interview.

First of all some of us did complain about Libya. Second of all even though we have complained and don't support the US involvement in Libya it doesn't compare to the invasion of Iraq. And third why don't you read the CoH because you are breaking it all over this seed. You can make your point without calling people stupid or retards. Not only a troll but probably a re-reg. Maybe we should let the moderators figure it out.

Lawrence..you were NOT MAGNIFICENT..you " pussy footed "around one of the most ARROGANT, DECEITFUL, and DANGEROUS members of the Bush Administration. She is manipulative, she interrupts constantly,she smiles constantly but continually interrupted you, did not let you finish one thought. This woman is SO PRISSY, so Sanctimonious, so PREACHY and so FULL of herself, that I absolutely cannot listen to her.

I am waiting to listen to one MAN who can successfully break through those GRANITE DEFENSES, and get one ounce of humility and honesty and femininity from this woman. She is the most difficult person that I have ever tried to listen to because She is totally covering up what she knows to be the truth..This was all a ploy to get the Iraqi oil, but it backfired. Stand up to her Mr O'Donnell . ..NWS Palm Beach, Florida

Miriam from West Palm; couldn't have said it better. Thank You.

Osama Bin Laden has been held accountable for his part in the killing of innocent people. A good thing. When will we see those responsible for the thousands of deaths in Iraq held accountable. When will those same standards of justice and accountability be applied to the Iraq war? Is it too much to expect that the value of innocent dead Iraqi's has the same value as innocent dead Americans?

Step to the plate Rice and Iraq kill team

I wouldn't have put it quite so strongly, but I'm SO glad you made this comment. I was upset when I watched it because of all of his interruptions, and I think there's a difference between what he thinks he knows and what actually happened years ago with her in the room. Just because he read what someone wrote in a book it doesn't make it true. I nearly passed out when I saw Rachel go after her, and I was shocked to go on twitter and see everyone praising him up and down and saying Condaleeza made a fool of herself. Note that I'm not saying I believe everything or even most everything she said. But there's a big difference between that and knowing without a shadow of a doubt that she's lying. And I thought the interview itself was very poorly conducted. You know who else won't let his guests finish? Bill O'Reilly.

will, did you mean to say "uninformed mind"? i was going to say it is not possible to have a closed mind if you know the facts, but this is not always true. facts can be ignored or lied about, as the bush administration did.

In March 2003, Hans Blix reported that "No evidence of proscribed activities have so far been found" in Iraq, saying that progress was made in inspections which would continue. He estimated the time remaining for disarmament being verified through inspections to be "months".^[56] But the U.S. government announced that "diplomacy has failed", and that it would proceed with a coalition of allied countries—named the "coalition of the willing"—to rid Iraq of its alleged WMD. The U.S. government abruptly advised UN weapons inspectors to leave Baghdad immediately.

Steve you are so right, that is exactly what happened, The only fool to follow Bush into Irag was Blair, and you see what happened to him on election. I suggest to those who are still supporting Bush's invasion into Iraq to go buy Rummy's Book, he admitted that they knew that there were no weapons. The only person in that administration was Powell and they lied to him.

Keep up the good work Lawrence.

And Poland sent what? 14 people? A few people here and there do not make up an army. We were the army on the ground. Friday Night Lt. Wilkerson noted that Rice had to do one of two things: stand up to the 800 pound gorillas in the admin, Cheney and Rummie or to get more intimate with the Shrub and become Sec of State.

I think BO is doing the right thing in Libya. We are not losing any armed forces, but we are trying to assist the rebels. That's AOK with me. You see, with all of the amazing things happening in the Middle East, there is a major message: they want democracy, which is 180 degrees away from what OBL wanted for the Middle East.

And, I'm sorry, but this was to be posted a few posts up, but sometimes my machine does what she wishes and not what I wish. That's what happens when you name a Mac Seven of Nine!

I am a stout conservative, but I commend you on your comment about the treatment of Condi Rice. God bless you for that comment, it might make my day, gives me hope that there might be some way for us to come together as Americans.

Don't know what program you were watching but the smug, arrogant, lying war criminal Condi "mushroom cloud" Rice interrupted O'Donnell so many times I lost count. O'donnell did close her down at the end by referring to her as the "worst Secretary of State that the US has ever had"

Just wish he would have treated her like the lying, rabid birther he threw of his program last week. Rice is a much more serious criminal...responsible for hundreds of thousands of deaths.

Hey I blame Rep Pelosi as much as all of the others who have coddled the Bush administration folks who have committed very serious crimes against humanity. She took impeachment off the table.

The investigations into pre war intelligence have all ready been completed Phase I and Phase II of the SSCI. Even though Senator Pat Roberts and others did everything they could divert attention and stall their completion. Now all we need is a push by the American people, our sold out congress, the MSM to push for hearings and trials.

Hundreds of thousands of people around the world have contacted the International criminal court about the Bush administrations war crimes.

Osama Bin Laden has been held accountable for his part in the killing of innocent people. A good thing. When will we see those responsible for the thousands of deaths in Iraq held accountable. When will those same standards of justice and accountability be applied to the Iraq war? Is it too much to expect that the value of innocent dead Iraqi's has the same value as innocent dead Americans?

My name was. I was never that excited about Obama from the beginning. Had watched him in the Senate for two years. A fence sitter on critical issues. There was no way I could support Hillary she knowingly voted for the 2002 Iraq war resolution. (Scott Ritter wrote extensively about the Clintons knowing there were no WMD's in Iraq) But once Obama won the nomination I worked literally over a thousand hours for his campaign. Will not be happening again. He has to go get the youth some more

Amen, brother!

Amen.

You would have to tell them the truth..WE MADE A MISTAKE KKL

Lawrence

Condelezza Rice ate your lunch. You looked like a little spoiled boy getting put in his place. Your facts were all wrong and she called you out on them and you looked foolish. You had your mind set only on your talking points and thats all you wanted to discuss. Grow up learn how to interview like a professional. I can see why your on MSNBC

PS. that side kick Rachel Maddow didn't help your cause much either. Your final statements were all BS and she seats there and agrees with all of it. Another poor excuse for a journalist.

Gary

K,

so you think its OK to keep the truth concealed about what the bush administration did, just so parent's have an acceptable excuse about why their child died. and you can still question the decisions of a commander in chief who is putting you in harms way, without being unpatriotic. of course bush didn't want to answer those questions, and called all of us who did unpatriotic, and said we weren't supporting the troops. you do remember that.

i think it is far better for the truth to come out. you all did your duty. i am sorry that lives were lost. it isn't up to you to decide where you go, or if the war is right or wrong. we trust those in power to make the right decisions. some of them don't.

the servicemen and women who died still died for our country by answering the call, even if the cause for war was based on a lie.

thank you for your service.

why don't you do a little research for yourself? it wasn't bad intelligence, although they blamed it on that. time after time at every opportunity many people tried to tell the bush administration that there were no WMD. i have followed this closely from the beginning of the war, and know that "they" had already made the decision to go into iraq way before the american people knew what was hitting them, possibly even before 9/11. perhaps you can tell me the link between bin laden and saddam hussein, and why they took their eye off bin laden. explain that.

They knew what they were doing. Go read Phase I and Phase II of the SSCI on pre war intelligence. Go read Jason Vest article in the nation written in 2002 "The Men from Jinsa and CSP"

Go read Lt Col Karen Kwiatowski's "the New Pentagon Papers"

Go read what El Baradei said in early march of 2003 about the Niger Documents.

Go read all of Seymour Hersh's articles about Iraq and iran

Go read former weapons inspector Scott Ritters books.

There was so much info out there that did not make the MSM TV news programs but made Democracy Now, the Diane Rehm show, Talk of the Nation on the web from experts, historians, former Presidents etc questioning the validity of the intelligence. The Bush administration knew they were fixing the intelligence around their policies. Plenty of former CIA analyst, former weapons inspectors etc knew too.

This hogwash that is repeated about "what we knew then" vs "what we know now" is a myth.

If a soccer mom in southeastern OHio heard, Hans Blix, El Baradei, Scott Ritter, Ray McGovern, Jimmy Carter. and so many more questioning the Bush administrations intelligence surely our congress could access that same information. This was all before the invasion.

The Bush administration knew they were lying some Americans into supporting the invasion of Iraq. They knew and should be held accountable

kathleen, thank you for your informative posts.

i agree with your myth analogy. but i think what lawerence and others might mean when they say, "what we know now" is that more, if not most americans and people around the world know now, even if they do not agree with the information, or if they say we are lying about their not being WMD in iraq, and that bush and his administration had an agenda.

most people do not follow politics as closely as we do. most people might think they are up-to-date on what is going on, but they really aren't. and we know that when hillary and other democrats voted for the war in iraq, i am sure their votes were weighed against political ramifications that could occur with the "wrong" vote.

i do not stand with the democrats who voted for the war in iraq. to be fair, though, when they voted, the information given them was that this was not a vote for war, per say. this vote was to let saddam hussein know that the united states was serious so that he would let WMD inspectors in.

this in no way justifies their vote, they may have voted for the war anyway, but it helped me to have this additional information.

I still think the myth that when Lawrence or anyone else gives the Bush administration war criminals (killed more people than Osama) a way out or another way to spin based on the myth that we know more now than millions knew before the invasion that the intelligence out of the Office of Special plans was being fixed around their intentions to invade Iraq no matter what. Now I don't know if Lawrence was like the other group think mainstreamers who were allowing their programs to be part of the 'stovepipe" for disseminating the Bush administrations false intelligence every evening. They were spoon feeding the public the WMD lies.

As I said earlier their were plenty of experts out there speaking out and going on every program that would have them. Ritter was on Democracy Now, Talk of the Nation. You could read what El Baradei and Hans Blix were really saying at the UN and Iaea's website. Americans should not have to hunt for accurate information but sure had to before the invasion. Thank goodness for the internet.

I really think the more Lawrence and others repeat "what you knew then" as if Condi Rice did not know she was going along with the lying program. Don't feed the oh you did not know myth. They knew.

i hear you.

and osama and al qaeda finally did hear us because of president barack obama.

you are wrong. the seals would never have went after bin laden without the order from the Cammander in Chief, president barack obama. immediately after he took office, the president told leon panetta to ramp up the search for bin laden. he has been a part of this process all along, and he did a great job. look at the results.

are you jealous?

Bingo. Condi and other warmongers did not let facts get in the way

there were people in the CIA who knew better THEN, who tried to tell the administration the truth about WMD, but they wouldn't listen. he didn't fool the bush administration, they went into iraq anyway. joe wilson, a US diplomat went to Niger in 2002 to check on the buying of uraniam by saddam hussein, and when he came home he wrote an article in the new york times, "what i didn't find in niger". the bush administration responded to this by outing a CIA agent, joe wilson's wife, valarie plame. this tells me they knew the truth about WMD, but wanted to go into iraq anyway. saddam hussein did not fool everybody, only those who wanted to be fooled.

Millions knew before the invasion based on what experts were saying on many news outlets that the intelligence was cooked and stovepiped. Just did not hear any of this on MSNBC, CNN, Fox. Hell Phil Donahue was axed because he was asking questions about the validity of the intelligence before the invasion. Chris Matthews dipped his toes in with this questioning of the WMD intelligence but was way too careful. Did not have El Baradei, Scott ritter, Ray McGovern etc on. Before the invasion millions of us accessed experts questioning the validity of the intelligence on Democracy Now, The Diane Rehm show, Talk of the Nation, at the Nation, Antiwar.com, the National Intelligence Estimate, the IAEA's website, etc etc

Millions knew plenty before invasion.

you are going to bring up a lie that clinton told about an affair and compare it to invading iraq where thousands upon thousands of innocent people were killed, not to mention our servicemen and women that the bush administration put in harms way for nothing? bill clinton lied about an affair. what we didn't know then- when the republicans were hungry for every blow by blow- is that they were doing the same things, and worse. newt gingrich, who himself was having an affair, led the charge to bring bill clinton down over a blow job. we now know that republican foley was soliciting sex from pages on capitol hill. we also know that republican larry "wide stance", "i am not gay, i have never been gay" craig was soliciting sex from an undercover cop in a twin cities airport bathroom. i could go on, but i think you get it.

don't bring up the cigar and compare it to bush sending our men and women to fight an illegal war when they knew the facts about NO WMD. when it comes to sex and lying about it, the republicans are just as guilty, if not moreso, than the democrats.

The only reason folks knew to question what the Bush administration warmongers were repeating and the MSM was stovepiping was because many experts including the head of the Iaea El Baradei, UN' Hans Blix, former weapons inspector Scott Ritter and many more were out trying their best to inform the public with accurate information.

Sorry you have to be so angry and defensive when facts are brought up.

My issue is the loss of life in Iraq and American soldiers based on a "pack of lies" And accountability for the Bush administrations war crimes

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MyNameWas

Its easy looking back and finding all the mistakes, Try dealing with it day to day, It would be diffrent which you leftys think you could do and if so Bill would of left his cigar in his desk."

Clinton lies under oath about blowjobs = impeachment

Cheney, Bush, Rice, Wolfowitz etc intelligence snowjob = hundreds of thousands dead, injured and millions displaced and not one person held accountable.

Says a great deal about our Congress's priorities. Takes blowjobs to get their justice juices flowing

you-"mussiah".

correction-"m-e-s-s-i-a-h".

listen, i gave you the facts about the differences between libya and iraq, one fact being that bush bribed other countries to participate. do some research.

CrushInfamy

Keep waiting for the War Crimes Commissions to go after the Busg Administrations
Do you also believe in unicorns??

politicalwatcher: Do you think that putting your words in bold type makes them true?

Exactly. Obama, congress, our Msm clearly do not seem interested in holding these war criminals accountable for their parts in lying this nation into an unjustifiable invasion. Hopefully they will at some point. Keep pushing.

At the very least Bush, Wolfowitz, Cheney, Feith, Rice, Rumsfeld, Ledeen Wurmsers, Rhode, Luti, etc all involved with the creation of the false intelligence will never be able to set foot out of the US because the international community will arrest their asses based on crimes against humanity

And asked why is it that you know how many people Saddam allegedly killed and we seldom hear the numbers of Iraqi people killed and injured as a direct consequence of the invasion that you pushed. The Lancet report that came out in 2006 that stated that 650,ooo Iraqi people had been killed at that point was swept under the rug by the Bush administration and our media. The recent Pentagon report on Iraqi deaths started calculating in late 2003 until sometime in 2008. I believe they reported around 70,000 dead. Although again their count started late in 2003 and ended in somewhere in 2008 as if no one was killed between March of 2003 and when the count started late 2003 and no one died after the date they stopped counting in 2008

No one in our MSM addresses the millions of Iraqi people displaced by the invasion, the largest US embassy in the world in Iraq, where is Ahmad Chalabi, who is control of the oil, how it has been divided amongst the oil sharks, the Niger Documents etc.

i agree, kathleen. whenever i hear about the iraqi lives that were lost, i know it is much higher than what we have been told-didn't lawerence mention 40,000?

the number i have heard is 100's of thousands also.

The 2006 Lancet Report (you can google and read) reported 650,000 Iraqi people had all ready been killed at that point. The Bush administration undermined that report and then along with the MSM's help swept that report under the rug. The Pentagon recently released a report on Iraqi deaths and reported 70.000 had been killed. This report starts in late 2003 (the invasion was in March) and stops in late 2008. As if no one died from March 2003 until late 2003, and as if no one has died after 2008.

Why is it that war thugs like Rice can tell us how many people were killed during Saddams reign. But Condi does not tell us how many Iraqi people have died as a direct consequence of her administrations illegal and immoral invasion? Selective counting and focus

If given the time she would have pounded on Iran even more. That is where the warmongers who lied some of the nation into supporting the invasion are headed. "Target Iran" by former weapon inspector Scott Ritter written years ago.

Go watch the interview of Ritter with Seymour hersh at Cspans Book Tv about Iran and Iraq. Lots of info and insights from two brilliant individuals

Could we start a collection to put Rice, Bush2, Rumsfeld and Cheney on a plane bound for Switzerland? That way they wouldn't get any more airtime here but plenty of hard time there.

Hell Lawrence through that crazy assed lying birther off the program. Rice deserved no less

Kathleen

Warmonger is a very strong word from someone who has such a gaint amount of knowledge into what the CIA and everyone knew. Some folks might think you had an inside track on all of this. Run if you know so much.

Ok war criminal. Is that better?

Amen

Then go back to fixed 'news', glenn beck needs all the moron viewers he can get

I couldn't agree more. After watching that interview I have nothing but respect for Ms. Rice. It blew my mind that Rachel Maddow could sit there and congradulate Lawrence on that interview. What did he accomplish that was worth congradulations? I love how left wing media can so easily cut down strong men and women who stand up to their bullying to fight for what is right.